STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 666

Hello new sig.  How are you?

That was the perfect opening for page 666 !

Hello new sig.  How are you?

Yeah, I already noticed. This guy stole Ric's profile since Christmas.

Just testing some things of how can be done..

Considering this shot:

(note on that pic: See that the white balance is correct and set, but the walls are clearly redish. from that and only we can assume that bespin has red parts in the underbelly of the superstructure.)

I run some tests how this can be looked into the later shots..

So i ve made 3 examples.

The pivot was placed in Luke's antenna. so what you look is the same thing just rotated for more or less viewing of the details.

See and tell me

-Angel

BmB said:

Not everything needs to be made obvious 

 im sure ric wouldnt agree

ABC said:

That was the perfect opening for page 666 !

lol... 666...

BmB said:

adywan said:

It's a section of the vane. Sometimes things don't need to be made obvious to the audience. That was a huge problem, as i have said before, with the PT - everything was explained too much. But i've never believed that it was Lukes hand/saber becausse that would have been thrown out of the city a long time before and it certainly wouldn't have gone through the exact same shaft.  Luke lands pretty hard on the vane and part of it breaks off. I'm certainly not going to be making it look any clearer because it doesn't need it.

I'll have to disagree here. Not everything needs to be made obvious, no. But this is something that in the script has a dramatic effect, which is not present in the movie. And to boot has caused nothing but confusion for 30 years. Some things, yes.

Not this thing.

Can't disagree with you more. It's a 2 second shot and with the speed an object needs to fall it wouldn't matter how clear you made the object (which it already is now) it would just be the same old blur as its falling. And not only that but what would the object need to look like so it looks like a piece of the vane that will be noticeable enough for this quick shot?

Also i really can't see how the script give this a more dramatic effect than the movie.

From the published script:

EXT. BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY - WEATHER VANE - DUSK

Luke tumbles out, emerging at the under-most part of cloud city. Reaching out desperately, he manages to grab on to an electronic weather vane.

NO mention of the falling piece there

From the shooting script:

TRUCKING FULL SHOT as Luke tumbles through the exhaust pipe.

403. EXT BOTTOM OF CITY - EXHAUST PIPE - DUSK

Luke is spit out of the exhaust pipe on the underside of the city. He manages to grab a protruding weather
vane at the exterior mouth of the pipe.

404. EXT BOTTOM OF CITY - EXHAUST PIPE - DUSK

FULL SHOT - Luke hanging on weather vane on bottom of the city. Dangling helplessly above the awesome cloud sea hundreds of miles below, he struggles in vain to pull himself to safety. Finally, he closes his eyes and begins to concentrate.

Nothing about in it that version either. Are you sure you don't mean the novel? If that is the case then of course things are explained in greater detail in a novel and often described with greater effect, but that doesn't mean it has to be the same way in a movie

Again i say it doesn't need changing and i'm not going to be doing anything to the object.  But if you really need it explained then i know someone who will only be too happy help....

BmB said:

... Not everything needs to be made obvious, no. But this is something that in the script has a dramatic effect, which is not present in the movie...

 

I disagree...

True that I never understood before what it was really. But the dramatic is justly not spoiled because of that.

If you have an accident, it makes it even more dramatic as long as you still wonder:"What happened? What was that?".

I think I always felt the same here.

BmB said:

That model looks much too flat compared to the set. I also thought the whole thing was well out of frame anyways.

yarp its still a wip ;)

And thats why i run it in max to see if that is indeed out of frame ;)

Ignore the remains of the backdrop as well the early textures :)

-Angel

adywan said:

Please, oh please, let this be an optional commentary track on the disc :)

On a separate note, was anyone else disheartened to find that ricvoiceover.com was not, in fact, a real website?  Mr. Olie, I firmly believe you need to register that domain name ASAP.

vaderios said:

Just testing some things of how can be done..

Considering this shot:

(note on that pic: See that the white balance is correct and set, but the walls are clearly redish. from that and only we can assume that bespin has red parts in the underbelly of the superstructure.)

I run some tests how this can be looked into the later shots..

So i ve made 3 examples.

The pivot was placed in Luke's antenna. so what you look is the same thing just rotated for more or less viewing of the details.

 

See and tell me

 

-Angel

Considering the shot just before, when Luke is falling, I think it should be the third one…

I imagine it's a WIP but you might place the thicker piece of the antenna (the attachment to the hatch). Also, I think the hatch itself is a truncated cone and there is a edge beyond the ring section with the lights, anyhow, I think some depth wouldn't hurt…

But… now that you're showing this, I'm not sure this is the thing to do, you see, seeing the hatch  make me feel that Luke should not have met the antenna by falling from there, or is it just me?

EDIT: oops too late :p

in fact the shot could be considered "in favor" of the sloped undercity, thus partially solving the problem ;)

Something like that:

Forgive the crudety of this, I mockuped a mockup from Vaderios, so it's all Vaderios' fault :p

BmB said:

I still think it looks completely different, and the perspective looks like it's off as well compared to the "horizon" of the underbelly of cloud city.

yes some details are being fixes cause of lack of observation :)

Something like that:

yeah! looks good.

Impfighter i want your view on that matter :D

-Angel

savmagoett said:

in fact the shot could be considered "in favor" of the sloped undercity, thus partially solving the problem ;)

Something like that:

Forgive the crudety of this, I mockuped a mockup from Vaderios, so it's all Vaderios' fault :p

Well, it would definitely make more sense as to how Luke fell onto the antenna, as opposed to just falling away from the city.   If the bottom of CC was completely flat (or at least the part Luke fell out of), and the antenna was off to the side, why DIDN'T Luke just... fall to his death?

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know... Jedi lifting powers (not to get sidetracked, but if Jedis could lift X-wings, much less rocks, wouldn't they be able to lift "themselves" and fly around like superman?)

Of course, you'd have to wonder who made the poor design of putting an antenna for things to get caught on right below a disposal hatch... You would think that when Luke falls onto the antenna, there would already be some clothes and junk hanging off that thing from previous door openings...

I'm imagining a ROBOT CHICKEN skit: a Cloud City resident decides to commit suicide and jumps down the shaft, only to get sucked out the door and gets hooked onto the vane.  Then he sees the Millenium Falcon approaching the city... the whole thing could be him trying to get back in and failing horribly, only to hear the door beginning to open, out comes Luke, who lands on top of him and... what do you know!  THAT is what is falling away from Luke!

On a more serious note, I can more than live with the current view remaining unchanged, as far as angling it or whatever.  What I COULD see changed is the perspective, ie. seeing more antennas receding into the distance.  As it stands now, it looks like Cloud City just "ends".. there is no real vanishing point.

I could also see some more minor, subtle FX work, such as having some of the antenna's with slowly pulsing red lights, the way the red lights on buildings at night work.

Also, (no biggie, but a suggestion all the same) it has been awhile since I've seen that actual scene, but is there a way to conceivably show Luke move sideways to the effect that he uses the Force to, for lack of a better word, "magnetize" himself and thus jumps to the antenna?   The point being that there is no physical way he could have fallen straight down onto the antenna without Luke using the Force in some way to move sideways to the antenna.



I understand that this shot is done at an angle to show the entire door.. it doesn't necessarily mean that the entire underbelly of CC is angled like this.  Regardless, the antenna could not extend under the door for Luke to reach, as the door swinging open would hit the antenna, or ejected debris would get caught on or damage the antenna, rendering it useless (unless it was purposefully done to constantly send unruly Ugnaughts on routine antenna repairs)




granted, the antenna is maybe 4 to 6 feet away from the door's center, but considering that the hole Luke fell out of is big enough for at least 6 people side-by-side (in a 2 x 3 formation) to fall out simultaneously, I would still think that the antenna he is on would be at the least an extra forearm length away from actually grabbing; even if Luke COULD grab it physically, the best he could grab would be the very tip of the horizontal antenna(s), which would snap off from his weight and still result in him plummeting to his death/glowy afterlife.


Again, don't know if it can be done convincingly (much less whether it needs to be done), but if there is anything that can be done to better explain Luke getting on that antenna, that would be quite cool.

Monroville said:

I'm imagining a ROBOT CHICKEN skit: a Cloud City resident decides to commit suicide and jumps down the shaft, only to get sucked out the door and gets hooked onto the vane.  Then he sees the Millenium Falcon approaching the city... the whole thing could be him trying to get back in and failing horribly, only to hear the door beginning to open, out comes Luke, who lands on top of him and... what do you know!  THAT is what is falling away from Luke!

I was reminded of the time when Homer's head was stuck in the drawbridge. Could've happened to Luke or the jumper. :p

"You said crush to him, right?"
"NO!"
"You're the boss."

savmagoett said:

Something like that:

So.. tilted structure straight antennas..

see that way too :)

-Angel