Jaitea said:
Ady had suggested adding more explosions to the shield generator, think I went over the top
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lulUXE-iDU0
J
Insane - yet excellent :D
Oh and another thing - is Ady gonna keep those small dissolves between Vader and Luke near the end of the film where Vader says '....it is your destiny' and Luke says 'Ben....why didn't you tell me(?)'?
Tayyab
Darth Chronus said:
Is Ady gonna keep those small dissolves between Vader and Luke ?
I dont find a reason to remove them...
-Angel
adywan said:
I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated
That time of year again adyman?...Christmas can be sooo expensive!!
;)
HotRod said:
adywan said:
I still have a long way to go with the model/ set building but i am completely cleaned out and things are grinding to a halt, so any help would be highly appreciated
That time of year again adyman?...Christmas can be sooo expensive!!
;)
But I am sure Adywan would return the favour and give a return gift too :)
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vaderios said:
The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.
he is right.
Just for proofs
-Angel
Will this be fixed?
Well after a night of heavy drinking, I always have bizarre dreams, and amongst the usual Michael Bay worthy fodder, I had one dream that I really really hope wasn't prophetic.
Ady got a cease and desist letter from Lucasfilm.
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
^Quiet, you! ;)
brash_stryker said:
Well after a night of heavy drinking, I always have bizarre dreams, and amongst the usual Michael Bay worthy fodder, I had one dream that I really really hope wasn't prophetic.
Ady got a cease and desist letter from Lucasfilm.
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
Aaargh ! Moi moi!
Do not Jinx it you boob :p
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ImperialFighter said:
Welcome aboard savmagoett. Interesting 1st post there.
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I'm curious, are all the Stardestroyers seen in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ meant to be exactly the same size?
Well, (extended universe took aside, Siliconmaster) there are two different complete studio models for the star destroyers, (they builded the second one because they needed a more detailed destroyer model for TESB), and it's true that mostly due to the model making process (involving heavy scratch building) there are some differences between the ships (like the thrusters, the weaponry, or the antenna array), but I don't think it was meant to be another model/class of ship (BTW the same thing happened to the Falcon models).
Of course hard core fans (like wookipedians) wishing to solve the issue created two different class from these different models:
the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer (ex: the "devastator") http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer
the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (ex: the "Avenger") http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_Star_Destroyer
but I don't consider that "movie intended".? According to what we see in the movies, you could say the destroyer capturing the Tantive IV, Captain Needa's and the one chasing the Falcon are the same exact ship type and if so should have the same size. After all for what other reason would the filmmakers show us "almost" identical ships if not to say "these are the same model"?
That's my opinion, what do you think?
adywan said:
The thing is, they have taken the scale of the Lambda shuttle from the size of it at the opening of ROTJ, and the scale of the falcon when its docked onto the stardestroyer, which is completely the wrong scale, but there is nothing i can do about that. Even the TIEs in the opening of ROTJ are the wrong scale. By that scale the TIEs cockpits are about the same size as about 2 stardestroyer decks. Are the stardestroyers manned by the Borrowers? lol. The Lambda class shuttle should fit easily in a standard Stardestroyer docking bay. Look at the size of the Stardestroyers bridge and then look at the size of the shuttle in that comparison pic you posted and you can see just how wrong the scale is. And don't forget the Tantive IV was originally going to be the Millennium Falcon and most of the so called official scales of that ship are still based on the original scaling. The scale there compared to the shuttle means that there would be no room for all those corridors. They screwed up the scaling of the Tantive IV yet again in ROTS. For the scale of the Lambda class shuttle just look at when Vader or the Emperor exits. You can see the scale of a human against the shuttle. Now compare that to the size of the Stardestroyers bridge in comparison to a human and you can work out the correct scale of the ships that way. So, yes, the Lambda class shuttle is indeed that small so it can fit into the stardestroyers docking bay
And no, i haven't got confused with the Executors docking bay in the ESB SE scenes.
That whole sequence at the beginning of ROTJ:R will be gone so there will be no problem with the scaling when i get to that.
You see Ady, I'm currently working on my own fan project which is all about starship dimensions in star wars so I have analyzed those a lot. And suddenly I stumble upon your unexpected point of view. I find this… disturbing ;)
Here is my point of view:
In the matter of size of things there are shots that are establishing scale more than others (like shots of ships with actors around). And I find most of these "scale establishing shots" pretty consistent to each other and also consistent with the special effects with models, the scale chart I posted was illustrating that.
Most of the discrepancies only appear when you make relation between inside and outside shots. ILM guys didn't bother to be scale accurate in those relations simply because no one would have noticed anything in the theater so they did what they had to do to tell the story with the best time/money/efficiency compromise they could come up with at the time. Maybe some inside sets are build out of scale (bigger) for filming (scope) purpose, something like that.
Of course when you're looking a movie through a microscope nothing is holding together. I know your goal is to fix most of the problems.
But if you can't change every "scale establishing" shots to match inside shots, aren't you creating other discrepancies somewhere else.
For example you're ok to change the scale of the Tydirium shuttle in one shot and leave the other shots that are establishing another destroyer scale (like the hiding Falcon). Doesn't it bother you?
I will post some images to illustrate my point, but later not to monopolize the tread.…
brash_stryker said:
Well after a night of heavy drinking, I always have bizarre dreams, and amongst the usual Michael Bay worthy fodder, I had one dream that I really really hope wasn't prophetic.
Ady got a cease and desist letter from Lucasfilm.
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
that better not happen! im dying to see this movie! ;)
Another re-render, realised after I uploaded the original, that the initial laser blast hitting the shield generator was missing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2LCKkaYBY
J
If you are not with or Michael Bay, you are my enemies!
Dont make me Mockup you!
-Angel
PS: I'm currently working on my own fan project which is all about starship dimensions in star wars so I have analyzed those a lot.
Any links, work in progress?
hay ady you might need this for some shots on Hoth!!!!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
^That's pretty impressive!
Dunno man...Looks fake to me!
I mean, it doesn't even blink!!
At least it doesn't have a snowflake on its foot.
CRACKER!!
J
I know that the flyby is tough to recreate it without footage or whatever.
But since we see in the next shots that there is heights in the snow, why in the establishing shots are all plain?
Even if the mockup doesnt present the correct landscape it gives the idea. Right JJ? :)
-Angel
First, the 20m (65 feet) Tydirium shuttle continuity.
The 1/1 Thydirium on live set:
Special effect with CGI model (I guess) inside the Executor for TESB(SE):
Inside set:
Inside layout consistency:
Conclusion: pretty consistent what do you think?
(I hope I'm not creating any lag with my photos…)
Gorilla said:
vaderios said:
The studio set is completely the wrong scale. It's actually too small as can be seen when they are repairing the falcon in ESB and we see Chewie in the cockpit from outside. The cockpit is about 40% smaller than it should be when we see them in the cockpit set. So to match the scale of the cockpit set and the model the studio version should be a lot bigger.
he is right.
Just for proofs
So this is not going to be a fix ,right ady?
At least the inner red lights? :D
-Angel
Damn, I never noticed how bad the scale was. It looks like the depth of the cockpit was cut in half, the two rear seats are gone, with only the window portions built for the scene. The control console is just a 2-D cutout and Chewie's face is pressed right up against the glass. Knowing now how much money ESB made back in 1980, kinda makes you wish they spent just a tad more to get the little things right, oh well.
Well first off, they made the movie before it made all that money. Second, have you ever read what a logistical monster ESB was to make? Be grateful we even got a finished movie. ;)
vaderios said:
I know that the flyby is tough to recreate it without footage or whatever.
But since we see in the next shots that there is heights in the snow, why in the establishing shots are all plain?
Even if the mockup doesnt present the correct landscape it gives the idea. Right JJ? :)
-Angel
Because the plains hes on at first drop off in the subsequent shots. He's on a plateau. Then he rides to the edge of it.
There is only one spacecraft that we have a perfect scale refrence for, and can us it to calculate the size of many other ships, including Star Destroyers, X-Wings, and the Death Star.
A Star Tours shuttle.
vaderios said:
AWESOME! Is it even possible to recreate a shot like that?
savmagoett said:
First, the 20m (65 feet) Tydirium shuttle continuity.
This would be awesome as its own thread over in General Star Wars Discussion.
IMHO
