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look at the image url above and you will clearly see the arm of the gimbal
This was where the gimbal was attached to the side of the ship to give the rocking sideways motion it is not the complete x-wing

ImperialFighter said:

yoda1138 said:

yoda1138 said:

regarding the engine talk, i noticed this.. see image mock up..

 As its still being discussed, i wonder if my post may have been missed regarding the perspective/ vanishing points. I personally believe the shot filmed was correct in the beginning with no engine removed to film R2. Maybe a wide angle lens was used? if you follow the green line on the right, look at the panel line behind R2 on the deck of the ship. it follows the green line, as do the windows follow the lines on the right. the red hoops are where i'd assume the engine fronts would have been on the ship. actually, i should have but the right hoop a tad lower, as the shot of the xwing is not dead on side view or we wouldn't see the top of the deck at all.  Though, i do think Adys addition of the engine looks aesthetically pleasing.  Thats my 2 cents.

I hadn't missed it yoda1138, so much as I wasn't 100% certain what all the marks on your image were meant to be indicating.  It was a little confusing without any description, but you've cleared things up a bit better now...and I see your analysis is similar to what I was trying to get across in my previous post. :)

So for final clarification...I agree that the engine turbine nearest to us could be argued to be unseen and just offscreen, due to this shot being filmed with an unusual 'distorted' perspective...and the largest red 'oval' on your diagram correctly shows roughly where it might be using this way of looking at it, unlike brimforge's pics.  And on the other hand, if adywan decides to take some 'artistic licence' for visual purposes...then I reckon that Ronster's version shows roughly the best angle/positioning to fit it into the existing shot.

 as ImperialFighter said, I wasn't sure what your diagram meant either ;-)

but in my first post I thought there was a "warp" somehow, that what I.F. called "fisheye" and yoda1138 calls "wide angle lens"

@Asteroid-Man

I wrote, to have used different angles to get the "right" view and yes I didn't use mentioned lens from above, because I don't have this equipment ...

but this shot is somewhat strange after all, the only reason it was made this way, was to show more of R2 (as speculated, the front turbine was removed)

I don't know what is better to remove the back turbine, as to get the "correct view" or make some modification as Ronster suggested

If the turbine would have been in shot it would make sense to put it in shot.

Ady has a history of putting in these sorts of things like the absent Y-Wing engine pod in ANH:R.

The mock up visually makes sense to my eyes and doesn't take Artoo out of the main focus of the shot.

It's very much up to Ady what he does but it seems to make sense to me.

Bingowings said:

The mock up visually makes sense to my eyes and doesn't take Artoo out of the main focus of the shot.

It's very much up to Ady what he does but it seems to make sense to me.

Yes, agree that this addition wouldn't distract from Artoo as the focus whatsoever.

The more I look at Ronster's mock-up, the more I like the idea of the engine turbine being added in a somewhat similar way to the shot.  It just looks *right* to see it included it in the frame, and would make for a nice addition.

Unfortunately, as it might prove too tricky to *also* add a matching hint of it to the slightly closer, but very 'shaky' Artoo shots that come soon afterwards as the X-Wing enters the clouds/mist...then I'll happily accept it as being just 'offscreen'.

ImperialFighter said:

Unfortunately, as it might prove too tricky to *also* add a matching hint of it to the slightly closer, but very 'shaky' Artoo shots that come soon afterwards as the X-Wing enters the clouds/mist...then I'll happily accept it as being just 'offscreen'.

 I have thought about this aspect... And although it would be easy on the static views it means animation on the descent through fog and It's also not something that destroys the film or the character narrative in any way not having the engine there, so it's not a big deal.

The main characters are the most important consideration really.

And as long as this translates well what I am saying then you will know what I mean

doubleofive said:

Tobar said:

I think the shot was setup in a way so that the front engine wasn't in the shot but was still physically there.

Also, I imagine if we look hard enough we can find a ton of shots where the camera is behind the fourth wall and therefore the shot shouldn't exist, so why not have an invisible engine?

And these bring me right back to my initial thoughts on the previous page where I showed the Kenny Baker/Artoo behind-the-scenes pic. 

I'm so confused!

So in no particular order, there seems to be a total of 4 ways to look at this shot, judging by all the comments -

1.  The engine turbine was removed from the full-scale X-Wing section for some reason, but *would* have been visible in the shot in a similar position as Ronster's mock-up showed. 

or

2.  The engine turbine was removed from the full-scale X-Wing section because the camera was placed in a spot where the engine would have originally been...so we *wouldn't* see it in the way that Ronster's mock-up showed (the 'invisible fourth wall' option as doubleofive suggests).

or

3.  The engine turbine *wasn't* removed from the full-scale X-Wing section, but the camera was positioned in a spot where it just ended up being unseen and just out of the frame (as Tobar and others suggest)

...and it could be argued that it was either just out of the frame somewhere at the *bottom* of the shot...or just out of the frame somewhere at the *right* of the shot (as yoda1138's diagram showed).

or

4.  Irrelevant of whatever the truth, Ronster's mock-up to include the engine looks quite good...and would make for a nice addition (and this was the one I ended up agreeing with, until I realised that doing the same with the 'shakey' Artoo shots would likely be too difficult)

Until adywan decides, take your pick everyone. :)

Option 3 gets my vote :-)

Agreed, Ronster's mock-up does look cool but I don't think the engine should be visible given what's already been said regarding camera position/lenses used.

Interesting debate all the same & some cool behind the scenes stills shown in the process :-)

Cheers, Paul

doubleofive said:

Tobar said:

I honestly think you guys are making mountains of molehills. I think the shot was setup in a way so that the front engine wasn't in the shot but was still physically there.

Also, I imagine if we look hard enough we can find a ton of shots where the camera is behind the fourth wall and therefore the shot shouldn't exist, so why not have an invisible engine?

 Shouldn't we be discussing this in The Invisible Thread?

Some of are.

is it possible to say how many % from the movie is finished?

Bingowings said:

Some of are.

 I see you are using invisible words.

There is something else about that side shot and it has to do with loss of color to the x-wing.

This shot had serious color problems so for the DVD they colored R2-D2 in but they did not properly restore the color to the x-wings red band on the engine and a yellow panel by the window.

There is also something else that I have been curious about and it has to do with the shot where Luke looks out the window of the x-wing.

Now the important thing to note is the sound R2-D2 makes at this time.

after the matte painting of Dagobah R2-D2 is shown in an external shot of the x-wing in the swamp again repeats the same sound or if you like says the same thing.

So I am not entirely sure about this but it could be that the shot of Luke looking out the window was meant to be spliced in to 2 shots rather than as it is in the film as we know it.

so there would be Luke's reaction to the crash and the cockpit shakes (Spliced here) with R2-D2 in an external shot making the sound he makes and says this only once then cutting back to Luke who looks over his shoulder. Then the matte painting.

But it is something that I observed. So it might be a scene re-arrangement at this point directly after the crash. But something feels a little odd about it and I don't think it has anything to do with the replacement Matte painting at all.

So many armchair critics, lol.

I know I'm late to the party, but I thought the clip looks stunning. I don't think the spider is distracting at all. Dagobah is a swamp filled with who knows how many lifeforms. I think it's a great establishing shot, immediately giving us a feel for just how teeming that swamp is with life. The spider is very slow moving, and it's not what I consider distracting at all. Sure, everyone is noticing it now, because it's new, so of course everyone is focusing on it because they're used to it not being there. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing that you notice it.

I don't think the shot is too long, either. Seriously, we're only talking like an extra second or two. Just how short are people's attention spans when they think an extra second or two drags the scene out? i think the extended shot is nice because it gives your eyes time to take it all in. Often in newer Hollywood films I find myself wishing they would give me a bit more time with some establishing shots, instead of rushing through everything so fast I don't even have time to take it in.

I'm amazed at how seamlessly that shot blends in with the film. Great job as always!

Oldfan said:

So many armchair critics, lol.

 Welcome, in no particular order, to the thread, the forum, and the internet.

doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter said:

Until adywan decides, take your pick everyone. :)

How about we all pick the option that doesn't require Adywan to do additional work on the movie so we can release it so you all can be happy! ;-)

 sigh. thank you.

At this point of the game if Ady wanted to it wouldn't make that much more of an impact on the release time if he took a wee while to tart up those shots.

If he felt it legitimate he would need to do the same for ROTJ:R (assuming there is a similar shot in that film, my memory is a bit fuzzy these days)so by making the set up for one part of the project he would be doing some of the work for the next.

If he deems it wrong he would be kicking himself hard if he didn't make it right.

But maybe he doesn't think it's wrong.

Just get the colons fixed.

@Bingowings

My same thoughts, if Adywan wants and can, he will change it, otherwise don't worry that it will withhold the release for too long ;-)