STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 410

doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

doubleofive said:

Darth Hade said:

The argument for it being Scarif is weak.

How is “this is where we left the DS yesterday” a weak argument…?

Yeah, that checks out to me.
It might be cool to see the DS over Endor early in R1. I don’t remember where it’s at or what it’s doin’ when we first see it though.

It’s getting the superlaser installed. Over Scarif.

On its face.

Darth Hade said:
Remember the criticism back in the day about how did the ewoks seem so prepared to fight the Empire’s troops so quickly?

The whole thing about how did they prepare those tree/log weapons so fast?

Assuming that the Empire began construction of the second Death Star soon after the first was destroyed (and did so near Endor) there is a 4 year period of time for the Ewoks to be aware of them.

And assuming they didn’t begin until after TESB that’s still about a year for the Ewoks to make their traps.

And even if they showed up a couple of weeks before ROTJ the sight of a giant round thing in their sky would’ve been enough to spur those little furries on to make the best defences they could - considering their entire lives were spent living off the land I don’t imagine they’d find it difficult to quickly create traps like that.

Where’s the plot hole?

doubleofive said:

Darth Hade said:

The argument for it being Scarif is weak.

How is “this is where we left the DS yesterday” a weak argument, besides the fact that according to the newEU Scarif was it’s home base where it was completed?

Here is a not so weak argument.
It’s not yesterday. Not even close.

Events timeline
Day 1:

1. Battle at Scarif
2. The Princess’ escape - say about couple of hours at most, but surely Tatooine is not minutes from another planet.
3. Robots land on Tatooine around noon. (Watch the shadow of Thripio when he walks away from Artoo)
4. They walk about half a day, since Artoo is captured after nightfall

Day 2:
5. The droids are sold the in the afternoon. We know that, because of the diner scene, the sunset scene, and when Luke looks for Artoo, is already dark.

Day 3:
6. In the morning Luke and Thripio goes after Artoo, that might take 2-3 hours.
7. Ben’s hut. Say about an hour.
8. We see the Death Star for the first time.
9. They find the Sandcrawler, which is at least a couple of hours away from Ben’s hut, since the sandcrawler wreck is about two thirds of the way from Ben’s hut to Bestine.
10. Luke races home, by the time he arrives, we are well in the afternoon. He goes back, than they spend the night in Bestine.

These series of events occour in nearly 3 days, and more than 2 days pass before we see the Death Star for the first time.
So it is plenty of time for the Death Star to get back where it came from. Especially if that is closer to the core, than Scarif.

Day 4
1 Mos Eisley
Now, Im pretty sure that a Cantina is not open in the morning. And since this is a hot enviroment, I’d say it opens after Siesta.
It is crowded already when they enter so it must be late afternoon by that time.
2 They escape Tatooine.

Day 5-8
1 Hyperspace
Nobody knows for sure how long it takes to get to Alderaan, but Tatooine is in the Outer Rim while Alderaan is a core world.
There are multiple sites that have travel time info:
http://www.starwars-chronicles.com/Hyperspace_Travel_Time.htm
So it’s about 4 days.
Luke had plenty of time to practice.

Day 9
Death Star + Escape from Death Star
say about several hours

Day 9-12
Trip to Yavin from the core. Yavin is nearly as far from Alderaan as Tatooine.

The Battle of Yavin takes place about 2 weeks after the battle of Scarif.

doubleofive said:

Oh god, it doesn’t matter. Adywan does what he wants about canon.

Couple of things about your post I feel needs to be addressed.
1 Your argument is as weak as there is, since not debating the content of the post.
2 Canon is something Disney ‘created’, as their business plan. And Disney didn’t really care about the universe’s rules Lucas created. Therefore canon is crap. Unfortunatelly.
3 So far everything Adywan changed in ep 4 is logical, so I guess it is safe to assume that what he wants to do is logical.
4 Which leads to my post of timeline, where I merely pointed out that it is completely wrong to assume that the Death Star could not have been at the planet, that Adywan inserted in ep 4 Revisited, and there is absolutely no need to change that to Scarif, because of Rogue One.
5 No one debated, nor shall debate that Adywan may insert whatever planet he feels right in his edit.

On a side note, reacting to another suggestion I read about here, the Endor theory creates timeline problems, since it is a long way from Tatooine, and much longer from Yavin, since those 2 planets are on the opposite side of the Star Wars galaxy.

I don’t think the Imperial March belongs in the prequels (until the very end).
I would use the Imperial Attack motif for the clones though as they prefigure the Stormtroopers.
I would use the same theme in the later original trilogy movies where only troopers are in the scene.
There are some scenes in ESB and ROTJ where you have Troops without big ships, vehicles or figures like Vader.

doubleofive said:

I’m saying this isn’t a debate. Adywan does what he wants. The fact that in the canon you quote actually has the Death Star finished at Scarif is the point. Why would the Empire move it from Geonosis to Scarif, then move it to Ganleigh for two days when the only difference between Scarif and Adywan’s planet is the shade of blue he already pointed out would have matched Scarif if people hadn’t convinced him to change it?

No, it is a discussion.
I did quote canon about Scarif? Other than talking about A New Hope, and merely mentioned the battle of Scarif, as a starting point, I don’t think I did.

I don’t seem to remember that in Rogue One the Death Star was finished at Scarif. In fact what I remember, that in the movie there was no planet visible when they installed the laser dish. I must be in some Disney book, but not in Catalyst for sure. Not that it really matters. I thought it was built at Geonosis, went to destroy Jedda, than moved to Scarif against the Rebels.
Anyway, if so, it makes no sense to build the Death Star in secrecy at one of the Main Data Storage Centers, which is a natural target for spies.

I don’t even know what Ganleigh is, that you mention.

The original opening of Rogue One before changes was the Dish being fitted…

It was meant to lift / blast off and fit in the death star. Don’T know what planet that was though? Probably Scarif.

Post prologue mind you…

Even though he said a while ago that he wouldn’t kill Lando off in ROTJ:R, I still feel worried if he changed his mind.

corellian77 said:

Editroid said:

Even though he said a while ago that he wouldn’t kill Lando off in ROTJ:R, I still feel worried if he changed his mind.

Thank goodness this is the ANH:R thread then, where we don’t have to worry about such things.

Even though he said a while ago that he wouldn’t insert Lando into ANH:R:SE and then kill him off, I still feel worried if he changed his mind.

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