Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 34

MalàStrana said:

canofhumdingers said:

WAAAAAAAAY better than ROTS! Thank goodness!

I don’t quite see the difference with ROTS for the suit. The helmet I get it, but the suit ?

Well, for one his body looks way to small for the armor. The chest box is attached to the leather suit with no straps (and once again has different button/light colors). The belt has some minor differences. The shoulder &a chest armor is an all new one-piece design that doesn’t look as cool and doesn’t allow him to actually raise his arms. It’s also much wider than Hayden’s actual shoulders in an attempt to give Vader the proper shape/size.

Over all the the ROTS suit is just a weird thing that doesn’t get the “feel” of the classic Vader suits thanks to a lot of the updates and modernizations. And it also has a weirdness from trying to make a person who’s clearly too small fill out a larger person’s armor.

I don’t know if we knew this already, but the new Rogue One ships for X-wing show that the prongs on the U wing fold back to be… wings.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/9/2/go-rogue/

ray_afraid said:

MalàStrana said:

Ronster said:

But I do imagine that we will see R2-D2 having the stolen plans uploaded to his memory.

In fact this is what Leia does in the opening scene of ANH. Leia has the plan when the movie begins, she uploads them into R2 after having recording her message to Ben.

Jokes aside, I do think we’ll see the plans handed off to Leia at the end. We won’t see her, but the audience will know who it is.

OR … do you think it’s possible they actually use the orignal Leia footage (since this is all Lucasfilm anyway) digitally enhanced to high quality, to be able to actually use it in the film? (if not- I think they should!) Wouldn’t that be amazing, using original Star Wars footage in this new movie?!

MalàStrana said:

At the end, the Rebels get the plans of the secret weapon and deliver them to Leia. The entire rebel squadron dies during the events.

I think this scenario is very possible actually. It certainly would be dramatic.

canofhumdingers said:

MalàStrana said:

canofhumdingers said:

WAAAAAAAAY better than ROTS! Thank goodness!

I don’t quite see the difference with ROTS for the suit. The helmet I get it, but the suit ?

Well, for one his body looks way to small for the armor. The chest box is attached to the leather suit with no straps (and once again has different button/light colors). The belt has some minor differences. The shoulder &a chest armor is an all new one-piece design that doesn’t look as cool and doesn’t allow him to actually raise his arms. It’s also much wider than Hayden’s actual shoulders in an attempt to give Vader the proper shape/size.

Over all the the ROTS suit is just a weird thing that doesn’t get the “feel” of the classic Vader suits thanks to a lot of the updates and modernizations. And it also has a weirdness from trying to make a person who’s clearly too small fill out a larger person’s armor.

Yeah, ok ! I’ve been looking for a comparaison slideshow but there does not seem to be one on the net; there is one for the helmet and on for the chest boxes (ROTS and ANH display very close chest boxes by the way) but none for the other elements of the suit.

Aren’t they going to use ANH footage for Tarkin ? Or is it a CGI Tarkin ? The footage option would be better.

Bingowings said:

It’s interesting that black and white tones are largely in reverse of the first film.
The main antagonist is dressed in white and Jyn’s highest authority (someone she will have friction with presumably) also wears white, The opposite of Vader and the Emperor.
The bulk of the rebels and some troopers are dressed in black (the Han, Luke, Leia and most of the troopers were dressed in white).
Part of me wishes we saw this struggle from an Imperial perspective (like the Tie-Fighter games) where the Rebels are the dangerous terrorists and the Empire is merely the successor to the heroism that won the Clone Wars.

I for one love the maker’s traditional outlook, harkening back to the movie’s he grew up on. White standing for good, black for evil, and taking the point of view from the “good guys” perspective. After all, the maker wanted a modern movie that brought back tradional good vs. evil values, at a time (the mid 70s) when things had already begun to get blurred. I think it gives the movie-goer an overall satisfying feeling when good triumphs evil. (deep down, we all want things to turn out as we know they should)
I’m sure your idea for an Imperial perspective would be great (and believe me, I love Imperial things generally more than Rebel - I’m a stormtrooper nut, love the tie fighter above all ships, love the royal guard, ect.) but overall I want the good guys to prevail. I do admit some of the black for evil, white for good, lines were crossed even from the original Star Wars (I can’t seem to get myself to call it a new hope, to me, it’ll always be just Star Wars, as that is what it was when it came out in 77 when I was 13 yr.s old) - a good example being the stormtroopers.

ray_afraid said:

Gael said:

ray_afraid said:

MalàStrana said:

Ronster said:

But I do imagine that we will see R2-D2 having the stolen plans uploaded to his memory.

In fact this is what Leia does in the opening scene of ANH. Leia has the plan when the movie begins, she uploads them into R2 after having recording her message to Ben.

Jokes aside, I do think we’ll see the plans handed off to Leia at the end. We won’t see her, but the audience will know who it is.

OR … do you think it’s possible they actually use the orignal Leia footage (since this is all Lucasfilm anyway) digitally enhanced to high quality, to be able to actually use it in the film? (if not- I think they should!) Wouldn’t that be amazing, using original Star Wars footage in this new movie?!

You mean rotoscope Carrie in ANH and put the footage in RO? No way. It would pull me right out of the film to see recycled footage.

Really? Oh not for me - to me it would pull me more into this movie, seeing Leia as we all know her, actually in this movie. While I do hope they do this, I doubt it will actually happen.

Anyway I don’t think we will see Leia. We might see Captain Antilles getting the transmission and saying “Inform the Princess we have the plans !”.

ROTS Antilles (Rohan Nichol, 29 yo in 2005; 40 yo in 2016) is now the same age of ANH Antilles (Peter Geddis, 40 yo in 1977). Both don’t look alike so I’m not sure they would take Rohan Nichol, but if LFL has now a strict “continuity policy” (Bail, Mon Mothma, Vader’s suit and helmet) they could hire him.

Here’s a fresh theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzJ43ifvxGQ

(Alistair Petrie, 46 yo in 2016)

We hardly see those costumes in the finished movie. Most of the costumes are very well-made in the PT, it’s just that the artistic choices are questionable.

Truth is, Hayden is about 6’1" & roughly the same height and build as Bob Anderson was. And they didn’t just throw the suit on him, he wore a padded undersuit as Don Bies commented on the Prop Replica Forum and there are scenes of him getting fitted in this padded undersuit on the EP3 docus. They actually reshot part of the scene with another actor back at ILM because George decided he didn’t want Vader’s wrists bound up to the sides of his head as seen in the EP3 teaser. In the other trailers and the movies his wrists are strapped at near waist level at his sides.

I’ve seen people complain about the shoulders and chestplate looking too wide in this ESB shot, which I thought could be Anderson, but everything I’ve read says it was Prowse. Notice the shoulder bells look fixed to the rest of it also this same ESB shot. http://caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-13056.jpg

The chest box in itself in ROTS actually looked more like the ANH chestbox to me (the button shapes and such) than the ESB/ROTJ one. I’ve always thought it’s kind of silly to gripe about his suit changes, Vader has proven to change his suit, swapped out electronics and other cosmetics from ANH to ESB. Whether he wears the inner cloak over or under the armor has nothing to do with technology being advanced.
Chest Box comparison here. I realize there were diffences with the ESB and ROTJ boxes, but this is just an idea.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/ed/Compspanels4wn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060321184821

canofhumdingers said:

MalàStrana said:

canofhumdingers said:

WAAAAAAAAY better than ROTS! Thank goodness!

I don’t quite see the difference with ROTS for the suit. The helmet I get it, but the suit ?

Well, for one his body looks way to small for the armor. The chest box is attached to the leather suit with no straps (and once again has different button/light colors). The belt has some minor differences. The shoulder &a chest armor is an all new one-piece design that doesn’t look as cool and doesn’t allow him to actually raise his arms. It’s also much wider than Hayden’s actual shoulders in an attempt to give Vader the proper shape/size.

Over all the the ROTS suit is just a weird thing that doesn’t get the “feel” of the classic Vader suits thanks to a lot of the updates and modernizations. And it also has a weirdness from trying to make a person who’s clearly too small fill out a larger person’s armor.

I am going by what Don Bies himself posted at the RPF.
I edited his posts together but he is Artoo77, it was a full 7 years ago when he posted this
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=65622&page=6&p=919620#post919620

"Ivo Coveny, the head of costume props in Sydney, made the decision, I assume along with Trisha Biggar, to remake the mask. All this trash talk about the costume being smaller is wrong, as they had made a muscle suit for Hayden and put lifts on him and everything…if it was smaller, it’s not by much, and I don’t think the helmet and mask are any smaller, IMHO. And I stand by another statement I made in a different thread that it made no difference that Prowse wasn’t in it, as they could have gotten anybody large enough to fit in the costume to play it…and little known fact, there are two other ILM employees playing Vader in the creation scene.

It is my firm belief that it was changed just so that they could call it their own…any talk of “customizing it for Hayden” was just covering that fact.

And BTW, I like that mask too.

It was created using that 3D scanning machine by Ivo Coveny and his team in Sydney, Australia. They recreated the mask, painted it, assembled it and filmed it at Fox Studios in Sydney using Hayden Christensen. Much later, the molds were sent to ILM and we made the three part (helmet plus split face mask) Vader for the shots involving the mask being assembled onto Hayden’s face (who wasn’t present, as they had shot his scenes while still in Sydney without the mask coming down onto him). Additionally, we re-shot at ILM some of the sequence with the table rotating into position, as Hayden was originally filmed with his hands up near his head, and George (I assume) decided that he should have his hands at his sides." --Don