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Dek Rollins said:

My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons.

Your pastor is a charlatan.

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Dek Rollins said:

My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons.

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons.

Your pastor is a charlatan.

I don’t remember if he used the terminology I did here (and I think I did a pour job of saying that, now that I think of it), but how can you claim he has never seen a person with a “different” sexual preference change their mindset after prayer? Believe me, I know this man, he is no fraud. He claims nothing of himself that is fraudulent.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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1 Timothy is in the New Testament. I think it’s about how women can’t be pastors

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moviefreakedmind said:

1 Timothy is in the New Testament. I think it’s about how women can’t be pastors

Oh, did I say “all of them” in my post?

*takes a look*

Dek Rollins said:

As was mentioned by others here, every single one of those was from the old law, which nolonger applies after the birth and death of Christ.

Oh, oops 😛.

EDIT: I think I must have overlooked that because I had been jumbling my mind when I couldn’t remember certain passages 😛.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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By the way, “I don’t believe the Bible because I have morals” is an impscum quality post.

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Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons.

Your pastor is a charlatan.

I don’t remember if he used the terminology I did here (and I think I did a pour job of saying that, now that I think of it), but how can you claim he has never seen a person with a “different” sexual preference change their mindset after prayer? Believe me, I know this man, he is no fraud. He claims nothing of himself that is fraudulent.

While I’m not going to question the honesty of your pastor, I will say that he’s likely been conditioned to see demonic influence/possession where there isn’t any.

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Yeah, if he’s not a charlatan, then at least he’s fooling himself.

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Lord Haseo said:

Then why include the OT at all if it’s pretty much retconned?

God still works amazing things in those peoples lives and their stories held in those books have great power.

He also fucks a lot of people up in the OT as well. Job is a good example and the Ammorites are another.

Also, if you’re unaware, Gideons pocket Bibles for spreading the gospel are just New Testament + Proverbs and Psalms.

I wish that were the official Bible. The messages and even the temperament of Yahweh himself got a lot more tame.

Also LOL; that sentence in Star Wars context would be sacrilege!

I would probably bust a frontal lobe if that happened.

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Like I said, I don’t remember what he said, that was my own terminology. It was the first way of describing it that came to my mind.

Dek Rollins said:

(and I think I did a pour job of saying that, now that I think of it)

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I can’t recall if it were the Amorites, but I think a lot of the Canaanite tribes were wiped out for sacrificing their children.

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Lord Haseo said:

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

Then why include the OT at all if it’s pretty much retconned?

God still works amazing things in those peoples lives and their stories held in those books have great power.

He also fucks a lot of people up in the OT as well. Job is a good example and the Amorites are another.

God didn’t even do anything to Job, he just let Satan do those things (which he would let Satan do anyway). Plus Job is considered to be fiction/poetry and not to be taken literally. The Amorites were a bunch of bullies going around murdering whoever they wanted and worshipping false gods as well as ignoring the christians who warned them of what god was going to do if they didn’t cut it out. God’s punishments were severe but all of them could have been prevented.

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Smithers said:

Lord Haseo said:

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

Then why include the OT at all if it’s pretty much retconned?

God still works amazing things in those peoples lives and their stories held in those books have great power.

He also fucks a lot of people up in the OT as well. Job is a good example and the Amorites are another.

God didn’t even do anything to Job, he just let Satan do those things (which he would let Satan do anyway).

He let Satan do those things to win a bet…I mean…

Also Satan was different in the OT.

Plus Job is considered to be fiction/poetry and not to be taken literally.

The Amorites were a bunch of bullies going around murdering whoever they wanted and worshipping false gods as well as ignoring the christians who warned them of what god was going to do if they didn’t cut it out. God’s punishments were severe but all of them could have been prevented.

I didn’t say they were innocent or not. It was just an example of someone who God fucked up. But for people who didn’t deserve to die God killed 42 people for making fun of Elisha’s bald head in 2 Kings 2:23-24.

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Smithers said:
Plus Job is considered to be fiction/poetry and not to be taken literally.

I don’t think so. I recall in Ezekiel it referred to Job as a real person.

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I didn’t say they were innocent or not. It was just an example of someone who God fucked up. But for people who didn’t deserve to die God killed 42 people for making fun of Elisha’s bald head in 2 Kings 2:23-24.

LOL! That’s gotta be one of the best parts.

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Lord Haseo said:

Also, if you’re unaware, Gideons pocket Bibles for spreading the gospel are just New Testament + Proverbs and Psalms.

I wish that were the official Bible. The messages and even the temperament of Yahweh himself got a lot more tame.

To be quite honest, if I do ever become a Christian again, that will literally be my Bible. Just like ancient Egyptian and Greek mythology, the Old Testament has some interesting stories to tell, but I wouldn’t use it as a source of theological or moral insight.

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All the different gods from religions across the world are just aliens fucking with us and you know it.

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Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons.

Your pastor is a charlatan.

I don’t remember if he used the terminology I did here (and I think I did a pour job of saying that, now that I think of it), but how can you claim he has never seen a person with a “different” sexual preference change their mindset after prayer? Believe me, I know this man, he is no fraud. He claims nothing of himself that is fraudulent.

Because sexual preference isn’t something you decide. A homosexual might start “doing it” with people of opposite gender, but he won’t enjoy it.

It’s like eating peanuts when you’re allergic to peanuts.

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I blame science on making me realise how unrealistic the idea of God is. I wish I could go back. That wasn’t a bash on religion, please don’t take it the wrong way. I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. I’m just not sold on the concept.

Not enough people read the EU.

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This whole disussion will not accomplish much I’m sure, but I will say that it takes as much intelligence to blindly discard an entire religion based on some passages of scripture written in an ancient context as it does to blidnly accept those same scriptures as the inerrant and uncorrupted word of God through the centuries. God was speaking to ancient prophets in an ancient culture, and the fact of the matter is that the ideals in Old Testament were quite progressive compared to the norms of neighboring civilizations at the time. It is literally idiotic to judge the morals of ancient Israel (or any other ancient culture) with modern day morals.

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Dek Rollins said:
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. -
Leviticus 20:13

a raped virgin must marry her rapist

Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. - Deuteronomy 22:28-29

and a woman should not have authority over a man

“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet. - Timothy 2:12

how could I not hate it?

I have morals; that’s how. Not saying you don’t but the people who wrote these things had none or at least had a warped view of morality.

And your final sentence here confirms what I just stated, that your judgment is idiotic. Let’s get philosophical and assume there is no God. With that assumption in place, you must then recognize that morals are as arbitrary as words: they are literally nothing more than culturally-accepted norms among humans interacting in a complex system. And since human understanding changes, so do morals. I guarantee you, if you wrote a book ennumerating what you believe to be the perfect moral system, and this book were to be read in 3,000 years, you would in fact be viewed as barbaric and backwards, particularly by the ignoramuses of that time who would expect your views to align with theirs.

I am glad you have morals. But your morals are what you feel is right, based on cultural norms and your own experience. You cannot measure ancient cultures by your own yard stick any more than you can judge a Muslim woman for wearing a burqa.

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darth_ender said:

This whole disussion will not accomplish much I’m sure, but I will say that it takes as much intelligence to blindly discard an entire religion based on some passages of scripture written in an ancient context as it does to blidnly accept those same scriptures as the inerrant and uncorrupted word of God through the centuries. God was speaking to ancient prophets in an ancient culture, and the fact of the matter is that the ideals in Old Testament were quite progressive compared to the norms of neighboring civilizations at the time. It is literally idiotic to judge the morals of ancient Israel (or any other ancient culture) with modern day morals.

And your final sentence here confirms what I just stated, that your judgment is idiotic. Let’s get philosophical and assume there is no God. With that assumption in place, you must then recognize that morals are as arbitrary as words: they are literally nothing more than culturally-accepted norms among humans interacting in a complex system. And since human understanding changes, so do morals. I guarantee you, if you wrote a book ennumerating what you believe to be the perfect moral system, and this book were to be read in 3,000 years, you would in fact be viewed as barbaric and backwards, particularly by the ignoramuses of that time who would expect your views to align with theirs.

I am glad you have morals. But your morals are what you feel is right, based on cultural norms and your own experience. You cannot measure ancient cultures by your own yard stick any more than you can judge a Muslim woman for wearing a burqa.

There are many other outlets that preach similar things that the good passages in the Bible teach and has none of the repugnant shit that the Bible has as well. So why not dismiss it? Also my book wouldn’t be seen as barbaric and backwards because I wouldn’t be chastising people for being different than me and I wouldn’t be calling for these people to die. So don’t even because I don’t want to hear that stupid shit.

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I can’t understand how religion still exists in 2016. In this modern age, we have computers, cars, internet, we have technology to see objects which are thousands of light years away from us, we have knowledge to figure out what something which happened billion years ago looked like from a piece of rock, we have recyclable Starbucks cups, yet people still believe there is a invisible man in the sky watching over everything.

Look, I’m not saying that the universe was not created by a intelligent being. Who knows what caused the Big Bang? Maybe some ultra-powerful high-intelligent super-being made the Big Bang out of a boredom and that’s how the universe happened. But that being sure wasn’t God, Allah, Visnu, Odin, Zeus or any other god which humans have made up throughout the millions of years.