Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 85

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

emanswfan said:

Most recent thoughts on my ranking:

1- SW (always been my favorite)
2- RO (most like my favorite for obvious reasons)

Rogue One would probably make my top 3 simply because of its unique tone but for the final scene. The movie prides itself on being a more grounded and realistic take on the Star Wars universe, but the discontinuity of the Tantive being at the Scarif battle, the plans being carried onto the ship instead of being beamed from afar, and the fact that the rebels knew that Vader had seen them escape makes the entire exercise ring hollow for me. In a more ‘delightful’ movie such as TFA this sort of continuity issue wouldn’t be as big a deal, but here it really ruins the film. I’ve described it like a runner tripping at the finish line and breaking their nose two inches from the ribbon.

It’s funny because I don’t even mind that. First of all, it’s discontinuity with another movie, so by itself it’s not like the ending doesn’t make sense, only after the fact. Second of all, I’m not even sure it’s discontinuity. Sure, it’s definitely not the way most would have assumed things would go down, but if you think about it, so long as Vader just assumes the plans were beamed to the Tantive rather than Raddus’s ship (and the fact that he didn’t force grab the plans would imply he indeed wasn’t aware) then there’s no real continuity problem at all.

“The Rebel flagship is disabled, my lord, but has received transmissions from the surface.”
“Prepare a boarding party”

It seems very much like he thinks the plans were beamed to Raddus’s ship and there is no other ship with which they can escape, otherwise why not just destroy the flagship outright? They clearly think they have all the time in the world to take prisoners and recover what was stolen, and it’s a surprise for Vader when the Tantive escapes.

DuracellEnergizer said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

1. OT
2. R1
3. PT
4. TFA

You literally posted the exact same thing two weeks ago.

Just like Mala and Alderaan, that he dislikes a movie isn’t enough; he doesn’t want anyone else to like it either. So like the petulant man-child he is (and they are), he has to keep coming back, rubbing his dislike in our faces until we get with his program.

I have merely posted a ranking list in “Ranking the Star Wars” thread. I did not even give any comments regarding my dislikes, let alone any persuasion aimed at other people.

And before you call other people “petulant man-child”, you should first stop being one yourself.

Yes I did because I forgot when was the last time I posted it. Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with that since people constantly repost their lists. And more importantly, by reposting my list I did not do any of the things he accused me of.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

I forgot when was the last time I posted it.

You make mistakes all the time, but it’s encouraging to see you finally admit one. Perhaps you are capable of growth after all.

It was not a mistake because there is no limit on how often one can repost their lists.

Well another basic concept you do not understand. I would be so kind to explain it to you but based on my past experience it would be a complete waste of my time.

yhwx said:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
   Everything is bigger and better. Plot and script are great. May be considered one of the best films of all time.
2. Return of the Jedi
   The needed sequel to The Empire Strikes Back. You can’t have one without the other. I can tolerate some of the lower points of the film. Overall, a great end to the trilogy.
3. The Force Awakens
   A modern film in all the good ways. I like the diverse cast, the script, and the plot. Rey is great. Edges out Star Wars for me.
4. Star Wars
   A solid film. Not as good as the other ones, but still great. It is very important in that it introduces all the characters.
5. The Phantom Menace
   A terrible, terrible film. Edges out the two other prequels because it’s at lease semi-entertaining in its badness. Also contains some questionably racist characters.
6. Attack of the Clones
   Absolutely horrendous. Bad for the same reasons all the prequels are bad: A terrible script. The “romance” story is spectacularly bad.
7. Revenge of the Sith
   Taken on its own, Revenge of the Sith may be the best of the prequels. However, it finds its place at the bottom of the list because it failed at what it was supposed to do: Tell the story of how the good man who was Anakin Skywalker turn to Darth Vader. The first two also failed at this, and the last one failing is just sad. If I removed this factor, I might have put Attack of the Clones here.

Updated ranking, which I am not completely satisfied with:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
   This will always be the best Star Wars movie. Great plot, characters, and dialog.

2. Star Wars
   I didn’t want to bump this one all the way down to the number five spot with my addition of Rogue One, so I bumped it up here.

3. Return of the Jedi / The Force Awakens
   No extra thoughts.

4. Rogue One
   I think I liked Rogue One more than the average Star Wars fan. A great plot with some standout characters make it a great film.

5. The Phantom Menace
   At some points The Phantom Menace gets to the so bad it’s good point, so that at least makes it half-watchable, plus it doesn’t really have anything to do with the rest of the movies.

6. Attack of the Clones
   Ugh.

7. Revenge of the Sith
   No.

I’m probably going to stay away from posting for a while now. Goodbye.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

emanswfan said:

Most recent thoughts on my ranking:

1- SW (always been my favorite)
2- RO (most like my favorite for obvious reasons)

Rogue One would probably make my top 3 simply because of its unique tone but for the final scene. The movie prides itself on being a more grounded and realistic take on the Star Wars universe, but the discontinuity of the Tantive being at the Scarif battle, the plans being carried onto the ship instead of being beamed from afar, and the fact that the rebels knew that Vader had seen them escape makes the entire exercise ring hollow for me. In a more ‘delightful’ movie such as TFA this sort of continuity issue wouldn’t be as big a deal, but here it really ruins the film. I’ve described it like a runner tripping at the finish line and breaking their nose two inches from the ribbon.

It’s funny because I don’t even mind that. First of all, it’s discontinuity with another movie, so by itself it’s not like the ending doesn’t make sense, only after the fact. Second of all, I’m not even sure it’s discontinuity. Sure, it’s definitely not the way most would have assumed things would go down, but if you think about it, so long as Vader just assumes the plans were beamed to the Tantive rather than Raddus’s ship (and the fact that he didn’t force grab the plans would imply he indeed wasn’t aware) then there’s no real continuity problem at all.

“The Rebel flagship is disabled, my lord, but has received transmissions from the surface.”
“Prepare a boarding party”

It seems very much like he thinks the plans were beamed to Raddus’s ship and there is no other ship with which they can escape, otherwise why not just destroy the flagship outright? They clearly think they have all the time in the world to take prisoners and recover what was stolen, and it’s a surprise for Vader when the Tantive escapes.

Well yeah it’s a surprise to Vader when the Tantive escapes, because I doubt he knew it was in there, but I think it’s the seeing it escape that would cause him to then assume that the plans had actually been beamed there rather than Raddus’s ship.

Yes to this.

NeverarGreat said:
The movie prides itself on being a more grounded and realistic take on the Star Wars universe

I don’t know where that comes from. It’s not a “realistic” Star Wars movie, it’s just another Star Wars movie. It may seem “gritty” compared to the cartoonish PT, but I think it sits beside Star Wars and Empire just fine.

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

TV’s Frink said:

Updated (I think?) after watching RO for a second time.

1 ANH/ESB
2 ESB/ANH
3 TFA
4 RO/ROTJ
5 ROTJ/RO
6 TPM
7 ROTS
8 AOTC

I’m almost completely on board with this, the only difference being that I’ve come to think ROTS is worse than AOTC.

I get saying ROTS is worse than TPM, but worse than AOTC??

AOTC’s saving grace is that I fall asleep halfway through and don’t have to finish it. For that, it’s better than Sith, which is barely interesting enough to keep one awake, but does nonetheless.

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DominicCobb said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

TV’s Frink said:

Updated (I think?) after watching RO for a second time.

1 ANH/ESB
2 ESB/ANH
3 TFA
4 RO/ROTJ
5 ROTJ/RO
6 TPM
7 ROTS
8 AOTC

I’m almost completely on board with this, the only difference being that I’ve come to think ROTS is worse than AOTC.

I get saying ROTS is worse than TPM, but worse than AOTC??

AOTC’s saving grace is that I fall asleep halfway through and don’t have to finish it. For that, it’s better than Sith, which is barely interesting enough to keep one awake, but does nonetheless.

I will say both are considerably better in fan edited form (while TPM only marginally improves). Though, despite that, I’m not sure if factoring fan edits into my ranking would really change any of my placements.

Mine doesn’t really except for episode 3. Fanedited episode 3 is a damn good film in my opinion. By restructuring the narrative, deleting and inserting new subplots, massaging the dialogue throughout, I think what’s left is a competently told story that is pretty emotionally resonant. The theatrical is a pain in the ass to watch but I consider it far more ambitious and redeemable than any of the other two prequels. I can’t stand behind putting TPM above RoTS. Just cause it used more sets and was shot on film and feels more Star warsy doesn’t give it a pass above RoTS. It is easily the most boring of the prequels and has an utter lack of an actual protagonist as pointed out by the RLM review. RoTS was far more competently handled than the other two. Don’t even get me started on the atrocity that was AoTC.

I honestly don’t care enough to bother seeking out a fan edit. Excise a few bits from a turd, and it’s still a piece of shit.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I honestly don’t care enough to bother seeking out a fan edit. Excise a few bits from a turd, and it’s still a piece of shit.

I think it’s easier to make that argument for TPM and AoTc but in my opinion, Sith has a relatively strong core story that can be salvaged.

darthrush said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I honestly don’t care enough to bother seeking out a fan edit. Excise a few bits from a turd, and it’s still a piece of shit.

I think it’s easier to make that argument for TPM and AoTc but in my opinion, Sith has a relatively strong core story that can be salvaged.

You may have a point. All the plot points pertinent to the OT are in that one. What edit would you recommend?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

darthrush said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I honestly don’t care enough to bother seeking out a fan edit. Excise a few bits from a turd, and it’s still a piece of shit.

I think it’s easier to make that argument for TPM and AoTc but in my opinion, Sith has a relatively strong core story that can be salvaged.

You may have a point. All the plot points pertinent to the OT are in that one. What edit would you recommend?

Easily Hal9000’s Labyrinth of Evil. The only thing I don’t like (and I literally mean the only thing) is that he has Padme live at the end. A simple cut of the ending and a replacement with L8wtr’s ending works a charm. Everything else is done to perfection by Hal. It basically restructures the plot so that Anakin’s fall makes more sense, is contained within himself more, and then the overall fat of the film is trimmed, AND you get the subplot of Padme helping create the Rebellion. It works wonders for the film.