Qui-Gone Jinn
Did he change his name after he died?
Nope, I forgot how to spell his name.
Qui-Gone Jinn
Did he change his name after he died?
Is that worthy of a name suggestion?
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.
ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).
What ROTJ fan edit ? Real question: I’m very fond of ROTJ but I’m interested by an edit that could correct minor silliness. Even if to my view ROTS (as a fan edit) is a good and enjoyable movie, ROTJ will always rank higher (the fun Jabba overture, the moving Luke-Vader-Palpatine confrontation, some parts of the Endor subplot, and the action packed space battle: very good stuff).
My work print is rendered and I will eventually throw up a link for it.
A ROTJ edit? Don’t post the link publicly though.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Ronald Reagan liked the movies enough to adopt their rhetoric.
He also thought Springsteen’s ‘Born in the USA’ was patriotic… the man was a pop-culture jackass 😉
Who cares if he was a pop-culture jackass since he was the last great President.
insert facepalm gif here
Bumping to get what’s his face off the front page
Not enough people read the EU.
I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.
ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).
What ROTJ fan edit ? Real question: I’m very fond of ROTJ but I’m interested by an edit that could correct minor silliness. Even if to my view ROTS (as a fan edit) is a good and enjoyable movie, ROTJ will always rank higher (the fun Jabba overture, the moving Luke-Vader-Palpatine confrontation, some parts of the Endor subplot, and the action packed space battle: very good stuff).
My work print is rendered and I will eventually throw up a link for it.
A ROTJ edit? Don’t post the link publicly though.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered/id/48662
I just want to see a good fan-edit that cuts out the whole Leia-is-Luke’s-brother thing. I know that its kind of important to the plot and would be pretty challenging to edit correctly, but given the ridiculousness of the two of them being siblings I’d rather have the identity of Luke’s sister stay unknown.
I totally agree with you. In fact, I gave it a try a few months ago and made a workprint to cut that out. I also rearranged the whole space battle sequences making them much more involving and entertaining.
I didn’t publish my edit because I’m not satisfied with it yet. Why? Because of Luke’s silly rescue plan I don’t know how to improve yet :
If you’re interested, I’ll share my workprint here (in a proper thread, ofc 😄 )
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
Doesn’t it contradict Ep VII now ?
I like the concept of parallel universes 😄
You would only need to edit a few lines in TFA if needed, anyway.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
I like the concept of parallel universes 😄
You would only need to edit a few lines in TFA if needed, anyway.
A few sequences you mean ?
edit: nope, a few lines, you’re right, and the opening crawl.
I think there are just a few lines with Leia saying she’s Luke’s brother. Then there’s her sensing Han’s death, and that’s it.
EDIT: nevermind
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
I think there are just a few lines with Leia saying she’s Luke’s brother. Then there’s her sensing Han’s death, and that’s it.
EDIT: nevermind
And Ren calling Vader “grand father”.
I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. It’s not the greatest example of script writing in history, but it works and ties the plot together. It resolves the love triangle, explains why Leia was able to sense Luke with the force at the end of Empire and who the “other” Yoda was talking about was, gives Luke motivation to attack Vader (which is why any ROTJ fan edit would fall apart), allows for the existence of Kylo Ren (at least as Han and Leia’s son rather than Luke’s), etc. Even watching just the first movie, there’s nothing that contradicts it. Does it seem like kind of a crazy coincidence that they would happen to meet like that in such a large galaxy? Maybe (though not as much when you consider that they were connected via Obi-Wan), but the entire Star Wars plot is built on such coincidences. You have to suspend your disbelief a little and just allow “the force” to explain some of this to enjoy these movies. Star Wars is a fantasy with magic steeped in mythological storytelling tradition, remember, not some kind of hard sci-fi based on realism.
I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. It’s not the greatest example of script writing in history, but it works and ties the plot together. It resolves the love triangle, explains why Leia was able to sense Luke with the force at the end of Empire and who the “other” Yoda was talking about was, gives Luke motivation to attack Vader (which is why any ROTJ fan edit would fall apart), allows for the existence of Kylo Ren (at least as Han and Leia’s son rather than Luke’s), etc. Even watching just the first movie, there’s nothing that contradicts it. Does it seem like kind of a crazy coincidence that they would happen to meet like that in such a large galaxy? Maybe (though not as much when you consider that they were connected via Obi-Wan), but the entire Star Wars plot is built on such coincidences. You have to suspend your disbelief a little and just allow “the force” to explain some of this to enjoy these movies. Star Wars is a fantasy with magic steeped in mythological storytelling tradition, remember, not some kind of hard sci-fi based on realism.
This is why I left them being brothers and sisters in my edit. Removing that entire plot point would practically break the movie no matter how much you hate it.
- The Empire Strikes Back
- Star Wars
- Return of the Jedi
- The Force Awakens
- Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure
- Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
- The Clone Wars
- The Phantom Menace
- The Star Wars Holiday Special
- Attack of the Clones
- Revenge of the Sith
There, the circle is now complete (until Rogue One rolls 'round).
I think there are just a few lines with Leia saying she’s Luke’s brother. Then there’s her sensing Han’s death, and that’s it.
EDIT: nevermindAnd Ren calling Vader “grand father”.
😄 That Ren never keeps his mouth shut!
I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. It’s not the greatest example of script writing in history, but it works and ties the plot together. It resolves the love triangle, explains why Leia was able to sense Luke with the force at the end of Empire and who the “other” Yoda was talking about was, gives Luke motivation to attack Vader (which is why any ROTJ fan edit would fall apart), allows for the existence of Kylo Ren (at least as Han and Leia’s son rather than Luke’s), etc. Even watching just the first movie, there’s nothing that contradicts it. Does it seem like kind of a crazy coincidence that they would happen to meet like that in such a large galaxy? Maybe (though not as much when you consider that they were connected via Obi-Wan), but the entire Star Wars plot is built on such coincidences. You have to suspend your disbelief a little and just allow “the force” to explain some of this to enjoy these movies. Star Wars is a fantasy with magic steeped in mythological storytelling tradition, remember, not some kind of hard sci-fi based on realism.
This is why I left them being brothers and sisters in my edit. Removing that entire plot point would practically break the movie no matter how much you hate it.
Not necessarily. I think I was able to make it work in the end, even in giving Luke another important reason to attack Vader (though it wasn’t easy to achieve 😄 ).
As for why one would want to make such an edit, I say because it could’ve been done differently. Isn’t it already a good motivation? I saw edits which turns SW movies into black-and-white films, television shows, parodies… there’s no end to what one could try and do, even with a single movie as a source, which is why I like editing as well as watching others’ edits.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. …there’s nothing that contradicts it.
“I know. Somehow…I’ve always known.”
Tobar said:
“I know. Somehow…I’ve always known.”
If your remove that horrid line it makes the entire thing exponentially less creepy.
Tobar said:
“I know. Somehow…I’ve always known.”If your remove that horrid line it makes the entire thing exponentially less creepy.
Adywan’s doing that 😄
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
It’s not just the ‘creepy’ aspect of the two of them being brother and sister that I hate, in fact the main reason why I don’t really love ROTJ as much as the other three good Star Wars films is because of how convenient the whole movie is.
Luke needs to return to Dagobah to finish his training;
“Hmm, just make Yoda die. That way he won’t need to finish his training, and we won’t have to address the fact that Luke was supposed to be making a reckless decision in facing Vader without proper training.”
There is another hope for the galaxy that is heavily implied to be Luke’s sibling;
“Meh, just make Leia Luke’s sister. That way we don’t have to introduce any more characters AND we can dissolve the love triangle between the two of them and Han.”
I don’t know, it just seems a bit lazy to me.
It’s not just the ‘creepy’ aspect of the two of them being brother and sister that I hate, in fact the main reason why I don’t really love ROTJ as much as the other three good Star Wars films is because of how convenient the whole movie is.
Luke needs to return to Dagobah to finish his training;
“Hmm, just make Yoda die. That way he won’t need to finish his training, and we won’t have to address the fact that Luke was supposed to be making a reckless decision in facing Vader without proper training.”
You have a point. In ESB Luke get’s his ass handed to him when Vader starts trying and then in ROTJ they’re pretty much evenly matched for the majority of the duel. And he had no training in between this…nor did we even see him get training in lightsaber dueling in ESB or SW and even then he was still able to land a blow on the Dark Lord before losing his hand.
There is another hope for the galaxy that is heavily implied to be Luke’s sibling;
“Meh, just make Leia Luke’s sister. That way we don’t have to introduce any more characters AND we can dissolve the love triangle between the two of them and Han.”
Has there even been an official comment on how Leia can sense Luke at the end of ESB even though it wasn’t planned for them to be related at that juncture? Because that’s usually brought up when someone mentions that.
I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. …there’s nothing that contradicts it.
“I know. Somehow…I’ve always known.”
Still doesn’t contradict it. I don’t count anything from the comics or anything else outside the films so I don’t care about your first example.
And as for the Empire kiss, she did that solely to make Han jealous. Not because she had a thing for Luke. Clearly, she was in love with Han. If it wasn’t obvious then it definitely was by the end (“I know”) of the film, around the same time her force sensitivity and special connection to Luke is also revealed.
And the “always known” line meant that she always sensed some kind of connection between the two on a subconscious level but was never able to rationally explain it or put it into words. Now that Luke has revealed they are siblings and she understands her connection to the force, it all makes sense to her. That’s how I’ve always interpreted that line, not that she literally always knew they were siblings.
It’s not just the ‘creepy’ aspect of the two of them being brother and sister that I hate, in fact the main reason why I don’t really love ROTJ as much as the other three good Star Wars films is because of how convenient the whole movie is.
Luke needs to return to Dagobah to finish his training;
“Hmm, just make Yoda die. That way he won’t need to finish his training, and we won’t have to address the fact that Luke was supposed to be making a reckless decision in facing Vader without proper training.”
There is another hope for the galaxy that is heavily implied to be Luke’s sibling;
“Meh, just make Leia Luke’s sister. That way we don’t have to introduce any more characters AND we can dissolve the love triangle between the two of them and Han.”
I don’t know, it just seems a bit lazy to me.
Yes, it’s true that many of your complaints are the result of the late decision to end the trilogy with Jedi when 9-12 films were originally planned. That being said, I think it wraps things up naturally when you take that into account, about as smoothly as it possibly could in fact.
Plus, you can explain that stuff. Luke needed to be the last Jedi, he needed to face Vader on his own. So Yoda had to die for that to happen. Not to mention it was addressed that Luke made a reckless decision to face Vader in the last movie - clearly he learned from his mistakes. He constructed his own lightsaber, and from the start of Jedi it is clear he is much more wise and careful. I never thought Luke needed that much literal training, as in like a certain number of hours of lifting rocks, to become a Jedi. I always interpreted it as more of a getting in sync with the force kind of thing that comes with inner understanding, like a spiritual thing. Of course the prequels undid that, but let’s just forget about that…
And again, I point out that Leia does seem to be implied to be the one Yoda was speaking of in Empire when she senses Luke. That tells us both that she is force sensitive and that she has a special connection to Luke. If I was walking out of a theater in 1980 speculating who Yoda was talking about, she would have been my guess based on that. Also it’s for the best that a character we already knew was used rather than another character shoehorned in for the last movie. People would just complain about that too.