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Dek Rollins said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I genuinely want to know your beef with the film.

My beef with all the Nolan films is the fact that Batman is a comic book superhero, but they tried desperately to make it overly-realistic and overly-modern, and that makes them fail as Batman films, and they also failed at the realism they were apparently trying to achieve. The films don’t capture Batman. They capture Dude uses existing military equipment to become a vigilante.

Yeah, you make a fair point, but I don’t read comics, and I judge them as films, and in that regard, The Dark Knight is great, at least in my opinion.

Not enough people read the EU.

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timemeddler said:

from best to worst

  1. batman and robin(1949)
  2. batman(1943)
  3. dark knight
  4. batman begins
  5. Adam west
  6. warner 90’s cartoons
  7. all the 80-90s time burton version

If you mean from the best lists in the thread to the worst, then I agree.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

Dek Rollins said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I genuinely want to know your beef with the film.

My beef with all the Nolan films is the fact that Batman is a comic book superhero, but they tried desperately to make it overly-realistic and overly-modern, and that makes them fail as Batman films, and they also failed at the realism they were apparently trying to achieve. The films don’t capture Batman. They capture Dude uses existing military equipment to become a vigilante.

Yeah, you make a fair point, but I don’t read comics, and I judge them as films, and in that regard, The Dark Knight is great, at least in my opinion.

I don’t read comics very much either (not Batman comics at least), and I do judge them as films, but I know what comics are, I know what they’re like, and I like comic book movies when they are portrayed as comic books on the big screen. The Nolan films don’t do that for me, and when a film is no longer a comic book film, all of the “this doesn’t make sense” moments are no longer excused, because I lose my comic book standards for the the film.

Furthermore, the Burton films are literally all the good things that ever came out of the comics, paired together with some new stuff and some changes, that effectively become a better comic than the comic, and on the big screen.

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I still havent seen the Nolan films in their entirety but when I do I’ll rank them. I saw most of TDK and my memories of it were pretty good. For now I’ll rank the Burton/Schumacher films.

4.Batman & Robin- Well granted I saw this in the theatres though I was about 4 at the time. Its one of those films you notice the flaws the more you watch it. Cheesy one liners, sub-par acting, and too much Bat nibbles. George Clooney’s a good actor but for me he was definitely miscast here. IMO he doesnt portray the tormented character depicted in the first three films. Anyways most of us know the flaws of this film so moving on. 4/10

3.Batman Returns- Kinda going with what a few said above. A little too Burton-y. The first film was a cross between dark and light with a hint of campiness. This film just leans too much towards dark. Its definitely the most graphic of the four films notably the scene where Catwoman scratches the person’s face. 6/10

2.Batman Forever- I rank this above Returns by about a hair. This film falls between the slightly dark edge of the first film but the over-campiness of Batman & Robin. Val Kilmer was an ok Batman and Jim Carrey definitely at his zaniest as the Riddler. Im again going with some of the above. Tommy Lee Jones was a bad Two-Face and granted I like Tommy Lee Jones. Then again I cant imagine Billy Dee Williams being much better in the role since he played an ‘ok’ Harvet Dent. However, Two-Face in BF was just a poorly written character. To vengeful and angry and zany and just a poorly written and portrayed character. 6.5/10

1.Batman- I actually find it a bit ironic that this is my favorite of the four films since it was actually the last of the four I saw. Nicholson played a good Joker and I like the plot twist that it was he who killed Bruce Wayne’s parents. Nice climax, good one liners, nicely film. Perhaps a bit dated now but I think it helped pave the road to where the character of Batman has been taken in the last decade or so. 8/10

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Reverse order list? Always hated those, bleh.

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  1. 1943: Batman, 15-chapter serial starring Lewis Wilson as Batman and Douglas Croft as Robin
  2. 1949: Batman and Robin, 15-chapter serial starring Robert Lowery as Batman and Johnny Duncan as Robin

nothing after 1949 is REALLY Batman. You had Adam West in the 60’s…and then a slew of shit-covered, muppet-fart campy movies…then the ‘dark knight’ trilogy…(which I enjoyed a lot but doesn’t compare to the serials of the 40’s)

Finnius has spoken. All who deign to oppose my view shall spend eternity sucking wet farts out of dead pigeons.

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Updated Batman rankings, after seeing “Batman v Superman”.

  1. The Dark Knight
  2. Batman '89
  3. Batman Begins
  4. Batman Returns
  5. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
  6. Batman Forever
  7. Batman '66
  8. The Dark Knight Rises
  9. Batman & Robin

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Neglify said:

Updated Batman rankings, after seeing “Batman v Superman”.

  1. The Dark Knight
  2. Batman '89
  3. Batman Begins
  4. Batman Returns
  5. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
  6. Batman Forever
  7. Batman '66
  8. The Dark Knight Rises
  9. Batman & Robin

Agreed, although I don’t dislike The Dark Knight Rises, I never want to watch it, it was just underwhelming.

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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I just think Rises is way too long. And Miranda Tate being the villain rather than Bane was a pointless twist. I’d be fine if she was working with him, but why did they have to make Bane nothing more than her slave? It was Poison Ivy all over again.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

I just think Rises is way too long. And Miranda Tate being the villain rather than Bane was a pointless twist. I’d be fine if she was working with him, but why did they have to make Bane nothing more than her slave? It was Poison Ivy all over again.

It wasn’t even executed in an intriguing way, the whole movie was a bore. The only reasons I think The Dark Knight works are because of the good pacing and great villain, the first and third movies didn’t have those

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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I think you need to give Begins another viewing. I didn’t think much of it until I decided to give it another watch years later and realized it was a pretty decent film.

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what is it with people hating serials and thwacking off to rubber tits? lol

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TV’s Frink said:

timemeddler said:

from best to worst

  1. batman and robin(1949)
  2. batman(1943)
  3. dark knight
  4. batman begins
  5. Adam west
  6. warner 90’s cartoons
  7. all the 80-90s time burton version

If you mean from the best lists in the thread to the worst, then I agree.

pretty much the default response everyone gives.

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Finnius said:

  1. 1943: Batman, 15-chapter serial starring Lewis Wilson as Batman and Douglas Croft as Robin
  2. 1949: Batman and Robin, 15-chapter serial starring Robert Lowery as Batman and Johnny Duncan as Robin

nothing after 1949 is REALLY Batman. You had Adam West in the 60’s…and then a slew of shit-covered, muppet-fart campy movies…then the ‘dark knight’ trilogy…(which I enjoyed a lot but doesn’t compare to the serials of the 40’s)

Finnius has spoken. All who deign to oppose my view shall spend eternity sucking wet farts out of dead pigeons.

wow, Im not the only one who prefers the olde school.

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Batman and Robin was Batman, but it wasn’t good.

The Dark Knight films were good, but they weren’t Batman.

BvS is neither.

Here’s hope for the next one to be both.

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Well, I’ve just re-evaluated all the Batman films, and I’ve come up with a new list, quite different from my older one.

  1. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993): 9/10
    It’s only real problem are that it feels a little rushed, probably as a result of keeping in a 70-80 minite runtime, and it’s pacing suffers as a result.
  2. Batman (1989): 7/10
    Very fun, Keaton and Nicholson are perfectly cast, and it has a great visual asthetic, though the plot is a little muddy, and I feel Bruce Wayne’s character could have been developed more (e.g. when he has that outburst to the Joker, it feels out of character compared to what we’ve seen of him so far).
  3. Batman: The Movie (1966): 7/10
    The plot is pretty stupid, and the acting is hammy, but that’s what it’s meant to be. The film tries to be an entertaining, irreverent watch, and succeeds with flying colours.
  4. Batman Begins (2005): 7/10
    Best of the Nolan trilogy, though sometimes it’s more silly elements (Scarecrow gas, hallucinogenic tea), gets in the way of the gritty, realistic route the rest of the film takes, and Katie Holmes is more than questionable.
  5. Batman Returns (1992): 6/10
    Though the tone suffers throughout, and the Penguin is pretty lame, Burton’s direction is great, and Max Shreck and Catwoman are entertaining as hell.
  6. The Dark Knight (2008): 6/10
    The visuals are quite boring, a little too realistic (if I wanted to see a regular city, I would go into a regular city), the Joker’s plan is completely stupid, he himself is underdeveloped, and the entire thrid act seems forced, but this is still a pretty good watch.
  7. The Dark Knight Rises (2012): 5/10
    Numerous plot holes and silly moments that don’t go with the realistic tone, and once more the villains motives are completely contrived, but for every bad moment, there is a good.
  8. Batman Forever (1995): 4/10
    Okay visual style, though very over the top, and the plot is extremely silly and stupid, though Val Kilmer’s Bruce is fairly interesting, and has a nice arc.
  9. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016): 3/10
    Very poor. Stupid character decisions, poor direction, overload of CGI, tacked on story elements, and a horrendous ending. Characters are also very boring.
  10. Batman and Robin (1997): 2/10
    It’s sort of fun during the over the top action sequences, but otherwise it’s just plain bad.

What a change in opinion.

Not enough people read the EU.

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It was animated and produced for a video release, and then before the release, WB said they wanted it in theaters, so they took a 1.85:1 mask and got it ready.

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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.