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It doesn’t matter what was planned
oh yes it does
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Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries
Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.
Before ROTJ we’d only ever seen a Jedi use his Saber against people once before and yes we saw a severed limb on the floor. That was pretty extreme and borderline for a kids film but limbs flying everywhere as Luke hacks Jabba’s minions left, right and center would be a clear R-rating dude. Of course, Ben Burtt does a lot with his soundfx in the sail barge scene with sounds of flesh being sliced/burned, screams from the dying, guts being sliced open etc.
Because there are no “visible injuries” in the shower scene in Psycho, does that make it not violent?
None of this is valid in reference to the point, which is that when you hit someone with a lightsaber, it shouldn’t bonk off them like a bat and push them into the pit. It should slash or slice them. We don’t need to see the gore or violence, but we need to avoid seeing a lightsaber act like something other than a lightsaber.
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So all editing changes are wrong?
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No I never said it was wrong… But in one Hand you are complaining about baseball bat lightsabre, and in the other we have a shot with a similar inconsistancy because unfortunately the special effects did not work.
I don’t think you can lay any real serious blame on Jedi for not doing this in the 80’s but today however it would be a given because of film making technological advancement.
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No I never said it was wrong… But in one Hand you are complaining about baseball bat lightsabre, and in the other we have a shot with a similar inconsistancy because unfortunately the special effects did not work.
You said yourself that the stomping works either way, and I agree. I never knew the robes were supposed to be on fire, I always just assumed he was “making sure” or something. The difference between the two instances is that one is an obvious inconsistency (the result of someone being hit with a lightsaber changing) and the other has an explanation that is certainly plausible.
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Because there are no “visible injuries” in the shower scene in Psycho, does that make it not violent?
No. Because we hear the screams and the stabbing sounds and see the blood and we know that that knife is doing what knives do. He isn’t just slapping her with it with no injuries.
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None of this is valid in reference to the point, which is that when you hit someone with a lightsaber, it shouldn’t bonk off them like a bat
I didn’t disagree with the bat discussion, just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
But since you bring it up… I do disagree that it’s used like a bat in that scene but it does look enough like a bat for me to concede it’s a totally valid criticism of ROTJ. TFA handled it very well I thought with little bits getting sliced off Ren and Finn, without resorting to gore… then again it did get a PG-13/12A rating.
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we know that that lightsaber is doing what lightsabers do
Good point 😉
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just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
Nobody here said they wanted that anyway, so why are you acting like that’s what we said. I pointed out that there was a lack of realistic violence occurring in the scene, and that showing that the injured parties were receiving actual injuries would make the scene better.
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just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
Nobody here said they wanted that anyway, so why are you acting like that’s what we said. I pointed out that there was a lack of realistic violence occurring in the scene, and that showing that the injured parties were receiving actual injuries would make the scene better.
I was joking there but you did you say you wanted to see them “receive visible injuries” from Luke’s Lightsaber. Apologies for assuming you meant visible injuries equal to Luke wildly swinging his Saber full force into their torsos and limbs and not minor cuts and grazes 😉
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Dek Rollins said:
there was a lack of realistic violence occurring in the scene
You are right if I assume you mean “the odd blaster-clutching hand flying off” sorta thing. That would have probably improved things.
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we know that that lightsaber is doing what lightsabers do
Good point 😉
But it’s not. It’s bouncing off people and leaving no damage. It’s just knocking people off the edge.
I’m not calling for gore, but scorch marks and the like would be nice. And a few severed limbs really wouldn’t hurt the film at all.
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None of this is valid in reference to the point, which is that when you hit someone with a lightsaber, it shouldn’t bonk off them like a bat
I didn’t disagree with the bat discussion, just the “More horrifically violent injuries please!” bit.
But since you bring it up… I do disagree that it’s used like a bat in that scene
Later in the movie, Luke slashes a speeder bike in the forest. Did it just bonk off the speeder with no evidence he even made contact? Of course not.
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It did’nt go bonk… It went whiz whiz whiz whiz whiz ahhhhh Bang!
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The speeder went whiz whiz bang, not the lightsaber.
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Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries
Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.
Oh really now?
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No, it’s true. I show my kids this scene on a loop and we laugh like hyenas.
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Oh really now?
Yeah you’re right, kids shouldn’t be allowed to watch Star Wars.
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He’s not saying that, but they’re not entirely kid friendly either. So at least a little more realism in that scene would play just fine.
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Personally I don’t think there is anything in any of the 6 SW movies (That’s excluding ROTS for the Anakin bonfire) that make them not “kid friendly”, at any age. Although boredom is a factor for younger kids, if they don’t understand what is going on… or are watching the prequels, at any age.
I think it makes a difference, kid suitability wise who is doing the violence, who they are doing it to and the context. Luke and his aunt/uncle being murdered is 100% unequivocally a bad thing, done by the nasty baddies, with fantastic music to tell us Luke is super sad about it. Would Greedo’s children finding his black and charred corpse in the Cantina be as acceptable? Probably not.
a little more realism in that scene would play just fine.
Agreed.
Oh and hopefully somebody with the FX skills can overlay a baseball-bat onto Luke’s Saber in the Ridiculous Jedi edit… complete with wooden soundFX!
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Oh and hopefully somebody with the FX skills can overlay a baseball-bat onto Luke’s Saber in the Ridiculous Jedi edit… complete with wooden soundFX!
OMG please post that in the right thread…and then start working on your fx skills. 😉
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I disagree. In my opinion, Return of the Jedi is classic, but it is not the best. Personally, I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks, the notion that cute and cuddly teddy bears could defeat imperial storm troopers, and the notion that the Empire would ever build a second Death Star.
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I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks
Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.
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Jabba was also high as a kite in ROTJ. Natural immunity. 😉
Where were you in '77?
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Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricksObi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.
Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you? He was a stupid ogre.