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adywan said:

imperialscum said:

For comparison. Rebel escape from Hoth is way more unreasonable than rebels destroying the shield generator on Endor. The imperials had a massive fleet blocking the planet.

I wouldn’t call 3 Stardestroyers and the Executor a massive fleet.

Even if I take your assumption of only 3 star destroyers seriously (film never confirms the number anyway), my point about TIE fighters that you ignored still remains.

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I was watching the Luke fixing his Light saber deleted scene today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks

And a few things struck me (pun intended) ok watch it closely…

Now the first Part of the deleted scene has Vader walking down a corridor this comes before the deleted scene of Vader choking Jejerrod and is part of that deleted scene.

Then the bit where he get’s in the elevator to go up to see the emperor is actually after he chokes Jejerrod.

Then there is a sudden wipe to very badly degraded footage of Vader in his meditation chamber

Then we cut to the deleted footage of Luke with Lightsaber jumping to the start of the film where as all the other events come much later on in the film.

I have seen this editing before Mr Lucas! Yes he put this together no doubt at all, it’s not editing from the film. The film was never meant to be like this…

So the thing that struck me most (here I go again) was the meditation chamber scene. Now the background is very dark so it is very hard to tell. But I am starting to wonder if this was a deleted scene from Empire.
But I did notice 2 lights in the bottom corner which seem inconsistant with Empires Set. But this meditation chamber scene would have gone when the emperor tells Vader to wait on the command ship. Can anyone confirm this meditation chamber scene to be 100% a different set to the one on Empire?

Could his chair be swiveled in another direction?

I just hope this is not some sneaky move. I am also doubting the dialogue that vader says here too. I just don’t understand why this scene is so much worse in quality than the rest…

but it’s not a true deleted sequence it’s a poor edit of deleted footage.

Vader is clenching his fists in anger over something that is not got anything to do with beckoning to Luke.

I don’t think the early drafts mention any scene either of Vader in his meditation chamber and for them to build this set again would have been a massive thing to do for this brief shot.

I think it is shot with the viewscreen panels behind him. I am calling Empire strikes back deleted scene.

It’s also been re-timed in slow motion

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adywan said:

imperialscum said:

For comparison. Rebel escape from Hoth is way more unreasonable than rebels destroying the shield generator on Endor. The imperials had a massive fleet blocking the planet.

I wouldn’t call 3 Stardestroyers and the Executor a massive fleet.

It was meant to be six star destroyers originally but it got downsized for (budget) reasons?

  1. SPACE - IMPERIAL FLEET
    Six huge star destroyers rest in the Hoth System.

And the Executor completely disappears once the battle starts But it’s probably still there. Or the executor was added after the point they had done most of the Hoth Space scenes.

to quote another scene…

  1. Space Imperial Fleet

Darth Vaders Star Destroyer larger and stranger than the 5 imperial star destroyers that surround it…

So it was six including the Executor

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You know why I love the Sarlacc Pit scene so much…

Because it’s the first time we truly saw what a Jedi could do in battle. We’d heard they were “guardians” of the Old Republic, we’d seen some of their powers, seen a couple of old Jedi’s mental powers, seen an old Sith toy with a young apprentice… but only with this scene do you realise exactly why the Empire would want to wipe them out.

As a Jedi, Luke gives Jabba every chance and warning he can to avoid violence…

“I’m sure that we can work out an arrangement which will be mutually beneficial and enable us to avoid any unpleasant confrontation”
“You can either profit by this… or be destroyed! It’s your choice. But I warn you not to underestimate my powers.”
“You should have bargained, Jabba. That’s the last mistake you’ll ever make.”
“Jabba, this is your last chance. Free us, or die.”

…but Jabba and his minions just laugh it all off. This is to be expected (Forgetting the small prequel time gap) it’s easy to imagine that most of these people have never seen a Jedi, or even heard of what they are capable of.

Then with all peaceful options exhausted Luke gives a gesture and R2 throws him the Sabre. Minutes later, everybody has been massacred by one Jedi and his laser sword. A Jedi’s ability to turn the tide of a battle and defeat whole armies is the kind of stuff that made them legendary warriors. Another mistake of the prequels was filling the screen with wall-to-wall Jedis, it diminished the power they had in this one scene from ROTJ. The PT had them protecting the galaxy with force of numbers… instead of just protecting it with THE FORCE.

Or in short, that scene is frickin’ awesome 😉

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TV’s Frink said:

Or you just have bikini on the brain. 😉

Just re-watched this scene (Harmy’s version of course) with the isolated score… soooo good!

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You know what the one thing I hate about the sarlacc scene is? The complete lack of violence. Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries; they just fall into the pit as if someone pushed them from behind. Then there’s this:

But I don’t mind it as much as the former.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Another mistake of the prequels was filling the screen with wall-to-wall Jedis, it diminished the power they had in this one scene from ROTJ. The PT had them protecting the galaxy with force of numbers… instead of just protecting it with THE FORCE.

The prequels had more CGI backflips and people swinging swords over their heads, though.

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ray_afraid said:

Dek Rollins said:

You know what the one thing I hate about the sarlacc scene is? The complete lack of violence.

Yeah. The lightsaber turns into a baseball bat during that scene. I hate that.

There’s EU to support it, however.

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IsanRido said:

People are thrown into an implied painful death. That pretty much compensates the lack of severed limbs during the scene.

No, actually, it doesn’t. The fact that people are dying doesn’t change the fact that the glowing green blade isn’t affecting them beyond that of a baseball bat.

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Dek Rollins said:

Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries

Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.

Before ROTJ we’d only ever seen a Jedi use his Saber against people once before and yes we saw a severed limb on the floor. That was pretty extreme and borderline for a kids film but limbs flying everywhere as Luke hacks Jabba’s minions left, right and center would be a clear R-rating dude. Of course, Ben Burtt does a lot with his soundfx in the sail barge scene with sounds of flesh being sliced/burned, screams from the dying, guts being sliced open etc.

Because there are no “visible injuries” in the shower scene in Psycho, does that make it not violent?

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Dek Rollins said:

Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries

Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.

Yes but there are some adult undertones, Star Wars and Empire both have some very good content for adults and the balance between stuff for kids and stuff for adults is well maintained but once we get to Return of the Jedi the scales tip towards the kids and leave the adults up in the air a bit.

Your taking your kids to see this movie for their enjoyment more than you are your own enjoyment. But it does retain some stuff more suited to adults. But it’s not as well balanced is what I am saying.

It’s the first sign of the sillyness in Star Wars Saga rather than humour.

Empire very nearly left the kids dangling up in the air though and tipping towards the adults too much.

As for Baseball bat Lightsaber it does not need Blood and guts and limbs being lopped off so much as a flame effect.

From the very Start in Star Wars although it is not in the shot somehow, when Ben get’s struck down his Robe catches alight… Then Vader Stamps out the flames with his foot. The lore is established.

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Ronster said:

From the very Start in Star Wars although it is not in the shot somehow, when Ben get’s struck down his Robe catches alight… Then Vader Stamps out the flames with his foot. The lore is established.

Uhhh … I think you’re creating that scenario in your mind, pal. There’re no smouldering/burning robes in that shot; Vader’s stomping the robes in confusion over where Ben’s remains went.

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Ronster said:

From the very Start in Star Wars although it is not in the shot somehow, when Ben get’s struck down his Robe catches alight… Then Vader Stamps out the flames with his foot. The lore is established.

Uhhh … I think you’re creating that scenario in your mind, pal. There’re no smouldering/burning robes in that shot; Vader’s stomping the robes in confusion over where Ben’s remains went.

It was not working but Vader putting his foot on the robes was to put out the flames… See this.

https://youtu.be/FSuDjjlIPak?t=2221

And yes it works either way no problems

There is another take of this where he does the neck swipe but I can not seem to find it. But you understand now why he prods it with his foot.

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Being that there were no flames in the film, nobody is going to think he’s putting out flames, and I would hardly say that it is SW lore when it never happened in the film.

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Unfortunately these things don’t always go to plan and what you might see on the screen to be fact is unfortunately a work around because a special effect shot was not plausible enough.

But they made it work that is what really counts.

I think the plan was he was meant to put out the flames with his foot but that was altered when the effect did not work.

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Ronster said:

As for Baseball bat Lightsaber it does not need Blood and guts and limbs being lopped off so much as a flame effect.

Yeah, I didn’t mean that it should be R violent, but some recognition that the blade was having a realistic effect on them would be nice.

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Ronster said:

Unfortunately these things don’t always go to plan and what you might see on the screen to be fact is unfortunately a work around because a special effect shot was not plausible enough.

But they made it work that is what really counts.

I think the plan was he was meant to put out the flames with his foot but that was altered when the effect did not work.

It doesn’t matter what was planned, what matters is what was in the film. I’m not sure if you realize this, but there’s this thing in movies called “editing” where all sorts of planned things get changed.

The burning robe thing may as well be a novelization bit or something from the EU for all it matters.