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ROTJ: Connecting Act I with the rest of the movie

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A pretty common criticism of ROTJ (other than Ewoks) is that the first Act (Jabba’s palace) has no connection to the rest of the film - apart from explaining why Han is back. This breaks an unwritten “rule” of film making, which is that each plot development should be caused by prior events. There’s a famous talk from the South Park creators that expounds on this: a movie should not be written such that Event A happens and then Event B happens. Rather, the movie should be written so that Event A happens, which causes Event B.

Now, this is pretty subjective. But I think everyone would at least agree you don’t want your film to be an arbitrary series of disconnected events (unless you’re going for some experimental sort of filmmaking). You want prior events to cause future events. A New Hope does this perfectly. You can follow a clear causality chain backwards from the last scene to the first scene. The Rebels attack the Death Star because they have the plans, because Leia brought the plans, because Luke rescued Leia, because Luke met Ben Kenobi, because R2 and C3PO escaped to Tatooine, because Vader attacked the Tantive IV. There is a CLEAR, direct chain of causality throughout A New Hope.

But ROTJ completely breaks this rule. In ROTJ, there is no causality chain. They rescue Han, and then a completely unrelated plot takes over.

Again, whether or not this bothers you is subjective - and many films break this “rule”. But it started to bother me, so as a thought experiment I started thinking about ways this could have been fixed. It’s really hard to come up with a way to connect Jabba’s palace with the Battle of Endor.

Ideally, you’d want something that happens in Jabba’s palace to later have relevance to the Death Star attack. Maybe among the criminal denizens of Jabba’s palace they stumble upon a hacker who provides them with the clearance codes for Shuttle Tyderium? Nah… that’s kind of stupid.

Then I realized there’s actually already an organic, built-in connection between the world of Jabba the Hutt and the Rebel/Empire (or Luke/Vader) conflict. That connection is Boba Fett. He works for BOTH Jabba and Vader.

It’s already a bit of a plot hole that Boba Fett never recognizes Lando in Jabba’s place (even with Lando’s silly mask). And while not an actual plot hole, it’s kind of weird that Boba Fett fights Luke but there’s no acknowledgement in the script that Boba Fett surely must know that Vader is still searching for Luke. You’d think when Luke showed up at Jabba’s palace, Boba Fett would take notice and perhaps contact Vader.

It seems like the connective tissue between Act I and the rest of the film was right there all along, in the form of Boba Fett - but the writers just didn’t seem to take advantage of this.

Of course, I still don’t know exactly how this Boba Fett link would help connect Act I with the rest of the film. It still doesn’t lend itself to some obvious causal link between the events in Jabba’s palace and Endor. But it could provide a partial link, if Boba Fett was somehow rewritten to be the connective tissue that causes Luke to ultimately get captured by Vader (instead of just turning himself in randomly on Endor - arguably another violation of the South Park rule).

Anyway, I don’t have it worked out, but to me it seems the best way to provide a causal through-line in ROTJ is to leverage the one link between Jabba and Vader, which is Boba Fett. Perhaps instead of killing him off unceremoniously, he could have been leveraged to create a much tighter, causality-driven story. I’m just not sure exactly how.

Thoughts?

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Definitely onto something, I think even previous drafts of RotJ had more going on with Boba and I can imagine when there was still going to be an Imperial city Boba could have done some nice jetpacking espionage, maybe we could have had some combination of the prequels Coruscant night chase with OT style speeder bikes except through skyscrapers instead of trees. After Jabba dies it should be all the more motivation for Boba to continue to track Luke, beaten up but escapes the Sarlaac. Luke can still give himself up, it just doesn’t have to happen on Endor, they’re back on the Death Star in the end anyway so it depends on how you choose to rearrange the elements if you mean to rewrite. It would be tricky to not retread ESB though, I’d personally try to work with that by making Boba do a fun double cross arc like a reverse Han moment where he sabatoges the Imperials for his own mercenary chaotic means when he either can’t get his bounty or they try to betray him with a firing squad to cut off loose ends now that Vader has Luke, Boba gets an action beat taking out a stormtrooper army with ease, if you want to cut Endor entirely we can kill two birds with one stone and take it all to the city, Boba blows up the shield generator in an act of renegade defiance and leaves like an antihero riding off into the sunset.

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I was just watching Return of the Jedi again this weekend actually, and I was thinking about Boba Fett; mainly, like why does he stay at the palace? Jabba presumably paid him for delivering Han, so why does he stay? Just for the party? Fine, sure, but then when Luke and co. fight back on the skiff he flies down to help Jabba. Why?
Maybe he’s there because of this idea that he was originally gonna play a larger role.
(I was gonna make this "Why Does Boba Fett Stay? thing into a separate thread, but I saw this and it fit in)

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WookieeWarrior77 said:

I was just watching Return of the Jedi again this weekend actually, and I was thinking about Boba Fett; mainly, like why does he stay at the palace? Jabba presumably paid him for delivering Han, so why does he stay? Just for the party? Fine, sure, but then when Luke and co. fight back on the skiff he flies down to help Jabba. Why?
Maybe he’s there because of this idea that he was originally gonna play a larger role.
(I was gonna make this "Why Does Boba Fett Stay? thing into a separate thread, but I saw this and it fit in)

By the time of ROTJ, it’s been like 3 years since Boba Fett delivered Han. (At least if we ignore supplementary material like Shadows of the Empire.) So the fact that Boba Fett is still hanging around at Jabba’s palace by the time of ROTJ would seem to indicate some kind of permanent employment with Jabba. There’s also that ridiculous scene in the Special Edition of A New Hope where we see Boba Fett as part of Jabba’s entourage. So we can infer from all this that Boba Fett fights Luke on the skiff in ROTJ because his duties include general security or protection for Jabba.

I recall that George Lucas stated somewhere that, when writing ROTJ, Boba Fett was considered basically just a random goon and nothing more. Strangely, the script for ROTJ acts like many events in ESB never happened. For example, Boba Fett doesn’t recognize Lando, and doesn’t seem to have any relationship with Vader anymore.

It’s weird because in the late 1979/early 1980 promotional material for ESB, Boba Fett was always advertised as working for Darth Vader. He was never associated with Jabba the Hutt. And in the 1978 Holiday Special (Boba Fett’s first appearance), Fett is associated with Vader, not Jabba.

But the A New Hope Special Edition scene from 1997 implies Boba Fett worked for Jabba in some capacity well before Vader hired him in ESB. And of course, ESB itself implies Boba Fett works for BOTH Vader and Jabba (and the “No disintegration!” line implies a prior relationship between Fett and Vader). But the earliest 1978/1979 promotional material emphasizes Boba Fett’s connection with Vader. Yet by the time ROTJ came out, Fett’s connection with Vader was essentially forgotten by the script.

Basically, Fett was originally marketed as Darth Vader’s minion, from 1978 thru 1980 when Empire Strikes Back was released. But then in ROTJ, Boba Fett works for Jabba in some semi-permanent capacity, and his relationship with Vader is never acknowledged.

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Channel72 said:

By the time of ROTJ, it’s been like 3 years since Boba Fett delivered Han. (At least if we ignore supplementary material like Shadows of the Empire.) So the fact that Boba Fett is still hanging around at Jabba’s palace by the time of ROTJ would seem to indicate some kind of permanent employment with Jabba. There’s also that ridiculous scene in the Special Edition of A New Hope where we see Boba Fett as part of Jabba’s entourage. So we can infer from all this that Boba Fett fights Luke on the skiff in ROTJ because his duties include general security or protection for Jabba.

I recall that George Lucas stated somewhere that, when writing ROTJ, Boba Fett was considered basically just a random goon and nothing more. Strangely, the script for ROTJ acts like many events in ESB never happened. For example, Boba Fett doesn’t recognize Lando, and doesn’t seem to have any relationship with Vader anymore.

It’s weird because in the late 1979/early 1980 promotional material for ESB, Boba Fett was always advertised as working for Darth Vader. He was never associated with Jabba the Hutt. And in the 1978 Holiday Special (Boba Fett’s first appearance), Fett is associated with Vader, not Jabba.

But the A New Hope Special Edition scene from 1997 implies Boba Fett worked for Jabba in some capacity well before Vader hired him in ESB. And of course, ESB itself implies Boba Fett works for BOTH Vader and Jabba (and the “No disintegration!” line implies a prior relationship between Fett and Vader). But the earliest 1978/1979 promotional material emphasizes Boba Fett’s connection with Vader. Yet by the time ROTJ came out, Fett’s connection with Vader was essentially forgotten by the script.

Basically, Fett was originally marketed as Darth Vader’s minion, from 1978 thru 1980 when Empire Strikes Back was released. But then in ROTJ, Boba Fett works for Jabba in some semi-permanent capacity, and his relationship with Vader is never acknowledged.

Very interesting stuff there, I did not think about the special edition scene adding Boba Fett to Star Wars, which means that George Lucas wants him to be employed specifically by Jabba. I hate that, and don’t consider it canon, but still interesting to note.

I’ve always taken the “No disintegrations” line just to imply that Boba Fett is notorious for disintegrating his bounties, not any previous relation with Vader, even though the Holiday Special shows one of course. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think anyone actually refers to him as Boba Fett in Empire? Han goes, “Boba Fett, where!?” in Jedi(which then means he knows him, and has a history with him…) but Darth Vader I know says, “He’s all yours, bounty hunter” instead of his name.

I still find it hard to believe there’s 3 years between Empire and Jedi, did it really take that long to rescue Han? But the idea that his relationship with Jabba was strengthened between films is a plausible theory. Another being he just hasn’t been paid yet, and Jabba is making him protect him if he wants to get his payment.

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That is such a cool image and backstory for Boba, and a lot better than the one we ended up getting in the Prequels.

Also in the Special Edition, where he is apparently there just be a noticeable fan service SE change, standing and staring directly into the camera:

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These are minor details since Boba Fett isn’t a match for Luke. Any real connecting tissue would have to come in two parts - one being the Rebel Alliance and the other being Luke’s sister. The former would have to involve some kind of overall tie back to the real mission; the Battle of Endor. Why is the Alliance letting their top fighters go off to save one man when such a big campaign is being fought? We never find out, and it’s odd. The latter of course would be a bigger re-structure that ties this tease from ESB into the first and third act of the movie. There’s still be a bunch of forest moon antics lodged in the middle but that’s another story.

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Mocata said:

These are minor details since Boba Fett isn’t a match for Luke.

Ehhh… maybe. Mandalorians have always been portrayed as challenging opponents for the Jedi. Even in the very earliest proto-incarnations of Mandalorians, back when they were just “Imperial Shocktroopers”, they were implied to at least be capable of giving the Jedi Knights a run for their money.

Not that Boba Fett is necessarily an actual Mandalorian, in 1983 or any time after (I can’t keep track of Boba Fett’s endless retconned origin stories), but Luke is also barely a Jedi. Maybe Boba Fett can just cheat by using some fancy tech to stun or incapacitate Luke, rather than best him in a fight.

Why is the Alliance letting their top fighters go off to save one man when such a big campaign is being fought? We never find out, and it’s odd.

One possible excuse is that Act 1 actually happened like months before Act 2 and 3. Not a great solution, but I guess it explains why the Rebels were freed up to go rescue Han.

But even worse is the fact that Luke inexplicably never returned to Yoda. He was definitely supposed to return to Dagobah to complete his training with Yoda originally. The Fourth Draft of Empire Strikes Back ends with Luke and Leia on board the medical frigate, staring out the window into space, and Luke says “I want to go with them, but I have a promise to keep. They’ll find Han. I know they will…”. This implies Luke intends to return to Yoda to finish his training. But in the actual film, Luke goes off with Lando to Tatooine, and apparently never returns to Dagobah to complete his training until ROTJ. So it’s never explained how Luke is suddenly a bad-ass Jedi with a stylish new outfit when he shows up at Jabba’s Palace. (And what were they doing on Tatooine for 3 years? I guess maybe it took 3 years for Lando to land a job in Jabba’s palace.)

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NeverarGreat said:

I know RogueLeader was working on an edit of ROTJ where Vader contacts Fett and orders him to capture Luke on Tatooine.

That does sound like an interesting idea for an edit! Also a clever solution for merging the acts together to be more cohesive.
 

I am surprised there isn’t a YouTube channel out there that has done a series on “Star Wars evolution of characters: origins to onscreen”. There is enough content there for an informative long running series.

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Boba Fett should’ve just never showed up post-TESB.

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WookieeWarrior77 said:

Superweapon VII said:

Boba Fett should’ve just never showed up post-TESB.

Or pre-ESB (Clones)

Who came up with the absurd idea to make all the clones Boba Fett? Out of all the universal shrinkage in the prequels, this one has to be my “favorite.”

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honestabe said:

WookieeWarrior77 said:

Superweapon VII said:

Boba Fett should’ve just never showed up post-TESB.

Or pre-ESB (Clones)

Who came up with the absurd idea to make all the clones Boba Fett? Out of all the universal shrinkage in the prequels, this one has to be my “favorite.”

George was like: “Hey, so the fans all like Boba Fett right? So what if we had like millions of Boba Fetts? What if every character was actually Boba Fett?”

Seriously though, Boba Fett was always vaguely connected to the Clone Wars in some way, even before the Prequels. The marketing material around Boba Fett in the 1970s spoke of him as being associated with troopers who fought in the Clone Wars. Of course, that vague source material never suggested that all clones in the Clone Wars were Boba Fett clones. Because that would be stupid.

Amazingly, AoTC took this vague backstory and somehow produced the least interesting possible story.

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WookieeWarrior77 said:

Channel72 said:

By the time of ROTJ, it’s been like 3 years since Boba Fett delivered Han. (At least if we ignore supplementary material like Shadows of the Empire.)

I still find it hard to believe there’s 3 years between Empire and Jedi, did it really take that long to rescue Han? But the idea that his relationship with Jabba was strengthened between films is a plausible theory. Another being he just hasn’t been paid yet, and Jabba is making him protect him if he wants to get his payment.

I don’t have a contemporary source at hand, but my recollection of the timeline around RoTJ when it was released was that it took place months after ESB, not years. Looking at various online timelines, consensus seems to be that it’s a year after ESB, which seems to be stretching things to to fit neatly into a BBY/ABY structure, but still not 3 years.

That aside, lots of interesting ideas in this thread for fixing some of the narrative issues with RoTJ. For my part, everything wrong with RoTJ is rooted in a set of decisions, some in reaction to the experience of making ESB, some in reaction to Lucas just running out of energy, that shrank the scope and mangled the feel of the universe in order to just wrap the fracking thing up so that George could get on with his life.

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Channel72 said:

Mocata said:

These are minor details since Boba Fett isn’t a match for Luke.

Ehhh… maybe. Mandalorians have always been portrayed as challenging opponents for the Jedi. Even in the very earliest proto-incarnations of Mandalorians, back when they were just “Imperial Shocktroopers”, they were implied to at least be capable of giving the Jedi Knights a run for their money.

Not that Boba Fett is necessarily an actual Mandalorian, in 1983 or any time after (I can’t keep track of Boba Fett’s endless retconned origin stories), but Luke is also barely a Jedi. Maybe Boba Fett can just cheat by using some fancy tech to stun or incapacitate Luke, rather than best him in a fight.

Why is the Alliance letting their top fighters go off to save one man when such a big campaign is being fought? We never find out, and it’s odd.

One possible excuse is that Act 1 actually happened like months before Act 2 and 3. Not a great solution, but I guess it explains why the Rebels were freed up to go rescue Han.

But even worse is the fact that Luke inexplicably never returned to Yoda. He was definitely supposed to return to Dagobah to complete his training with Yoda originally. The Fourth Draft of Empire Strikes Back ends with Luke and Leia on board the medical frigate, staring out the window into space, and Luke says “I want to go with them, but I have a promise to keep. They’ll find Han. I know they will…”. This implies Luke intends to return to Yoda to finish his training. But in the actual film, Luke goes off with Lando to Tatooine, and apparently never returns to Dagobah to complete his training until ROTJ. So it’s never explained how Luke is suddenly a bad-ass Jedi with a stylish new outfit when he shows up at Jabba’s Palace. (And what were they doing on Tatooine for 3 years? I guess maybe it took 3 years for Lando to land a job in Jabba’s palace.)

I think it’s good that they didn’t go with Luke’s ‘promise to keep’ at the end of Empire because that wouldn’t really jive with his portrayed mental state at the time. At the end of Empire Luke was obviously distraught that Obi Wan (and by extension Yoda) had lied to him about his parentage, so it makes sense to me that Luke was focussed on rescuing his friend and concentrating on the present rather than going off to resume training.
Personally I think this should have carried over into RoTJ. I think Jedi’s opening crawl should’ve said something like ‘Luke Skywalker has forsaken his Jedi training and returned to Tatooine…’. This way there’s no disconnect between Empire and Jedi in terms of Luke suddenly being more or less fully trained without having returned. He could still be portrayed as a badass (choking Jabba’s guards and wearing snazzy black threads) but it would make sense because he’d still be disillusioned by the events in Empire. Better yet Luke’s actions in the finale - giving himself to the Empire and redeeming Vader in the process - could be a more organic consequential scenario rather than the (ethical suspect IMO) notion of him suddenly deciding that redeeming Anakin is the most important idea on the table.