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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yoda-sama said:

Not that this new grading looks “bad” or anything, but I do feel a preference for where things were going previously, and you’d even managed to almost fully subdue the green edging. Not to mention that the close-up shot of the rebel’s face now looks like his cheeks should be checked by a doctor for a skin condition…

The latter seems to be an artifact from the settings of the color matching algorithm, as the corrected Tech scans that I use as a reference, and have a lower resolution don’t show this anomaly.

Well, first off, I think you may have nailed the colors. I’ll have to reserve final judgement until I see the sample video and more reels of the film. But I also think that matching the saturation of the Technicolor print is a mistake unless you are after that technicolor look. I think if you dial down the saturation a bit to reach a less technicolor result but still with rich and full colors, that you would achieve an accurate representation of a non-Technicolor print. Technicolor is known for the intense colors it produces and taming that and the green tint that seems to plague the Star Wars Tech IB prints seems an ideal strategy to me.

That said, I do love old Technicolor movies so if you choose to follow the more saturated path, that works as well.

I might actually end up doing both…😉

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These last ones look terrific. Go full Technicolor I say! 😃

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I’m preparing two video samples. The first will have the latest color grading. The second will have the same colors, but less contrast amd saturation.

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also besides the redish face of one of the rebels the walls of tantaive look pink other than that good job

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AllAboutThatSpace said:

These last ones look terrific. Go full Technicolor I say! 😃

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These colors look fantastic.

Within whatever small margin of error, I’d say the look of these scenes has been determined with great accuracy. They just look right, you know?

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jedimasterobiwan said:

also besides the redish face of one of the rebels the walls of tantaive look pink other than that good job

I’m not sure. The wall color is not uniform, and the magenta staining that is so prevalent in the bluray, also seems to be present in this print, albeit far less noticeable…

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DrDre said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

also besides the redish face of one of the rebels the walls of tantaive look pink other than that good job

I’m not sure. The wall color is not uniform, and the magenta staining that is so prevalent in the bluray, also seems to be present in this print, albeit far less noticeable…

are you going to fix that?

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DrDre said:

Perhaps it would be better to hold off judgement until you see it in motion. The sample video should be available tomorrow…

Of course. 😊 A 4K technicolor grade of the original Star Wars is a gift none of us would turn our noses up at. Thanks as always for your great work and for keeping a dialogue open.

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DrDre said:

One of the questions in grading a print scan, is whether to correctly represent what’s seen on a print, or whether to reduce saturation and contrast to conform to the expectations of a home video release. In this case I opted for the former, but I’m open to suggestions…

Would it make sense to tone down the saturation and contrast on the denoised version and keep the full-blown technicolor look on the one with the natural grain? It seems like we’ve got a perfect opportunity here to have it both ways.

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Just thought I’d take a quick non-purist stab at the clip in Davinci Resolve today. It’s admittedly a lot cooler in tone and less saturated. Might try doing one of those warmer grades later.

https://vimeo.com/190204628

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Note: I didn’t do any shot specific tweaks yet.

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I’m currently working on optimizing the contrast and saturation, which were deemed too high by some.

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This might be a happy compromise, reduces the pink in the highlights, and will hopefully please everybody, (I like it 😉):

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I like the latest color grading!

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I would definitely LOVE to see a 4K scan with those colours

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That’s a happy compromise in my book, Dre. Thumbs up!

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Sorry, the file is available now!

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Oke, here’s the evidence, that the magenta staining is an artifact introduced by Lowry. The magenta staining was always present, even in 1977 prints. The 2004 color grading made it more apparent, but if you look closely at the 4K77 frames you will notice it. It is made more apparent if you match the print to the bluray. The colors are identical, including the magenta staining, which must mean it was already there from the get go.

4K77:

Bluray:

4K77 matched to bluray:

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The circle is now complete: when we started our projects we were trying to match the Blu-ray to 35mm sources, now we’re matching 35mm sources to the Blu-ray.

That still begs the question though, of how they managed to make C-3PO’s highlights look green. It looks like even your program can’t make them look that crappy.

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NeverarGreat said:

The circle is now complete: when we started our projects we were trying to match the Blu-ray to 35mm sources, now we’re matching 35mm sources to the Blu-ray.

That still begs the question though, of how they managed to make C-3PO’s highlights look green. It looks like even your program can’t make them look that crappy.

I didn’t bother to use the same frame, and did a quick match, but I’m pretty sure if I use the same frame as the bluray and use more color spaces for a 16 bit image, those green highlights would pop up… 😉