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George pointed this out in the audio commentray when Sebulbas pod is creeping behind Anakins Sebulba is not in it.

The audience in Attack of the Clones are about 99.9% genenosines but the crowd cheering is human sounds

Han wakes up in Return of the Jedi with different clothes then when he went into carbonite

In all movies you hear big sounds in space battles. There is no sound in space

In the Special Edition how does Greedo miss a shot at point blank range and why doesn't it make a mark on the wall

Obi wans lightsaber loses color in a couple shots (this will be fixed on the DVD)

Why don't many of the cantina aliens move there mouths

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Those aren't plot holes; they're lapses in logic &/or continuity.

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George said in the audio commentary for Attack of the Clones that the Stormtroopers are clones of Jango fett. No nobody tells Padme about the hanger. Trust me I have seen Attack of the Clones at least 20 times. Maybe more.


I think he was referring to the stormtroopers in AOTC, because that's what he was supposed to be talking about.
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George pointed this out in the audio commentray when Sebulbas pod is creeping behind Anakins Sebulba is not in it.

The audience in Attack of the Clones are about 99.9% genenosines but the crowd cheering is human sounds

Han wakes up in Return of the Jedi with different clothes then when he went into carbonite

In all movies you hear big sounds in space battles. There is no sound in space

In the Special Edition how does Greedo miss a shot at point blank range and why doesn't it make a mark on the wall

Obi wans lightsaber loses color in a couple shots (this will be fixed on the DVD)

Why don't many of the cantina aliens move there mouths


Those aren't plot holes. Plot holes are mistakes in the story that completely change the whole movie. That's why they're called "plot holes" because the plot falls into a hole.
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I think he was referring to the stormtroopers in AOTC, because that's what he was supposed to be talking about.


Oh God. Listen to the commentary. He was very clear about all the original trilogy stormtroopers being clones. You oviously have never heard the commentary or you wouldn't have typed that.
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It's all very well for GL to say -now- that all the stormtroopers in the other movies are clones, because it suits him to say that now and it ties in nicely with AOTC. But that doesn't mean that was what he was thinking when he first made Star Wars. In Star wars the stormtroopers are different heights and builds and have different voices, they don't all speak with New Zealand accents like the Clones do, as I pointed out before most of the clones would have been killed in the clone wars and there would be a big lapse in soldier numbers while they waited for more to be created; logically they would start recruiting civilians. In AOTC the officers are clones, in Star Wars they are all different people. When Luke and Han diguise themselves as Stormtroopers this would not work if the stormtroopers were clones as they would stand out due to their different heights and their voices; all clones are supposed to be exactly the same. It just doesn't make any sense for the Stormtroopers in the OT to be clones. Maybe some of them could be clones, fair enough, but not all of them...
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It's all very well for GL to say -now- that all the stormtroopers in the other movies are clones, because it suits him to say that now and it ties in nicely with AOTC. But that doesn't mean that was what he was thinking when he first made Star Wars. In Star wars the stormtroopers are different heights and builds and have different voices, they don't all speak with New Zealand accents like the Clones do, as I pointed out before most of the clones would have been killed in the clone wars and there would be a big lapse in soldier numbers while they waited for more to be created; logically they would start recruiting civilians. In AOTC the officers are clones, in Star Wars they are all different people. When Luke and Han diguise themselves as Stormtroopers this would not work if the stormtroopers were clones as they would stand out due to their different heights and their voices; all clones are supposed to be exactly the same. It just doesn't make any sense for the Stormtroopers in the OT to be clones. Maybe some of them could be clones, fair enough, but not all of them...


Yes, I can sense what's going on here... It's George "I don't care anymore" Lucas, changing his mind again. BTW, I doubt he even realized that the stormtroopers were originally different people.

"Mr. Lucas just one more question: are the stormtroopers all clones, or they are different people."
"What? Storm what? You mean Jar Jar?"
"Uh... No, I mean the stormtroopers? You know? Those soldiers... dressed in white armors..."
"I have no idea what you're talking about, but I belive the answer is: they are all clones."
"But both the original trilogy and the expanded universe says that they are actually different people."
"Insolense!! Blasphemy!! This press conference is over! Guard, kill 'em all!!"
"Mr. Lucas that's not a guard, that's my coat."
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The Emperor would have made more clones of Jango. It was my belief originally watching them as a kid that the stormtroopers were droids. But I was a kid. One of my favorite aspects of Attack of the Clones was it explaining what the hell those stormtroopers are. There clones.
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Oh God. Listen to the commentary. He was very clear about all the original trilogy stormtroopers being clones. You oviously have never heard the commentary or you wouldn't have typed that.





Um I've listened to the commentary many many times & he DOESNOT make it clear that ALL the OT stormtroopers are clones, he casually mentions that in an earlier draft (earlier draft of what, one might ask) they were clones, he's very ambiguous here & I feel it can be interpreted in a couple of ways:

1. from the start of his writing the Stormtroopers were meant to be clones

2. once writing AOTC he DECIDED that ALL STORMTROOPERS WILL FROM NOW ON BE CLONES.

As stated above he's not very clear on this & IMO he is just changing things along the way to suit his needs for the PT.
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"We see Jango bump his head. In the original trilogy we see the stormtroopers bumping there heads. This is intentional that Jangos flaws would go in his clones"

He referes to the clones in Attack of the Clones as stormtroopers many times.

"When you see them marching in white I hope people will recognize them as stormtroopers"
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Once again, hindsight. He's speaking from the perspective of NOW, not 27 years ago when ANH first came out. For all we know, stormtroopers bumping their heads in the OT could have been a happy accident that he decided to leave in @ the time, but now he's going back and trying to give that accident meaning. He may do the same thing with some of Harrison Ford's improvised lines in the Indiana Jones trilogy for Indiana Jones 4.

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That comment about bumping heads just proves how far off the rails GL has gone. Does he really expect us to believe that he deliberately asked one of the actors to bump their heads on a door because he was planning to make the "original clone source" bump his own head in a prequel film that he was planning to make thirty years later???? How stupid does he think we are??!
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lol!!!!!!!!!

as far as i can recall that guy hitting his head COULDNOT see a thing through his helmet. The bumping went unnoticed until it was picked up by cinema viewers.

Hmm anyone say "Shoot the continuity people" :>

also I recall hearing once when i was a wee lad that the guy who smacked his head did it intentionally after being dared by a friend.

Dont know which story is true but still it's funny as hell & cinema history & IMO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the "creative genius" of GL
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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur<br

I think he was referring to the stormtroopers in AOTC, because that's what he was supposed to be talking about.


Oh God. Listen to the commentary. He was very clear about all the original trilogy stormtroopers being clones. You oviously have never heard the commentary or you wouldn't have typed that.


Or maybe its because I havent listened to the commentary for a long time, unlike you, my sad little friend.
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The Emperor would have made more clones of Jango. It was my belief originally watching them as a kid that the stormtroopers were droids. But I was a kid. One of my favorite aspects of Attack of the Clones was it explaining what the hell those stormtroopers are. There clones.


I find your immature-maturity disturbing. You still are a kid, so shut the hell up.
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LOL!
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Plot holes??

What plot holes?

Really now folks do you really feel like there are inconsistencies in the Star Wars Story?

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i think there are, but not anymore than in any other film.
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"Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper" because there all the same
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lmao

that doesnt mean they're all the same!

In the UK we have a set minimum height for any ppl that should so desire to join the Police Force. This could quite easily have been the case when ANH came out, GL wanted to show that the Stormtroopers all had to have been of atleast a certain height to conform with the fact that their armour removed any sense of identity/humanity, thus appearing all the same. Would the comment "Aren't you a little tall for a stormtrooper" been said to Han if he'd rescued her, considering he was meant to have been in the service of the Empire.

Jimbo you really need to keep in mind that what GL thought 25 years ago is not what he's thinking now and likewise in current interviews etc what GL is saying he always intended (the good old excuse of the backstory) is not the case. He is clearly making it up as he goes along (hmm Indiana Jones anyone??), changing whatever he feels is needed to make the 2 trilogies come together. Do not be fooled Jimbo!
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All the stormtroopers are clones. The words Clone Wars is used in A New Hope. They are clones of Jango Fett same as the ones in Attack of the Clones. Yes I believe "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper" does imply they are all identical. If the empire was simply recruting troops they would come in all different sizes. Even if they prefered larger size they would need alot of troops and there would be Stormtroopers Lukes size. Mark Hamil is not that short. There is no evidence they are not clones. They do all look the same proportions.
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Jimbo, you really need to chill out, my young padawan learner.

I am merely trying to offer different perspectives & views behind GL's desire to further change the Trilogy.

You & I DONOT know for definite what GL intentions behind the origins of the Stormtroopers were. In 2002 he can say "oh they were always clones" but I'm sorry mate but I donot believe that this was always the case.

Now before you reply telling me again that I am wrong....just take a minute to think about what I am saying. I am not saying that the Stormtroopers are now NOT clones. Emphasis on NOW, NOT CLONES. I am trying to suggest as I have said in many previous posts that GL is/has/will change the OT to suit his needs for the PT.

Now I don't know about you, but I believe I am entitled to my own opinion here & feel that you, as a fellow poster, should at least attempt to respect that. Not everyone thinks as you do. We all have idea's about the origins of characters etcetcetcetcetc but do we bluntly tell you that you are wrong? No, so please before replying just sit back & think for a minute.
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