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Originally posted by: JediRandy


I'm not arguing about story, about the PT being good, etc. I'm simply saying I'm blown away that people would consider (or even be fine with) ESB "going away" if it meant no more post ANH Star Wars.

If being flabbergasted by that train of thought is out of line then this place is more militant that I thought it was. That's Basher Sanctuary level stuff... (hence MeBeFanEditor chiming in)


JR, I know we are getting WAY off topic, but we have all been posting here for a long time on this website and I consider us all regulars, so I am going to keep this thread going even though we are a bit off track.

No matter what the internet says, SW'77 is the favorite among the majority of SW fans, mainly ones that saw the original in 1977. As I have said, I love ESB, but stick me on a island by myself with one DVD player, one TV, and only one movie, I will take SW'77 ANY day of the week.

The reason you are amazed about many peoples opinions of ESB is because SW'77 fans usually don't post on the internet, you either get hardcore OOT fans like most of us here, or hardcore Saga fans, like TFN. Trust me, I can't tell you how many people I know who don't even care for ESB, and love the first SW movie. I was at a party this summer and talking to a bunch of my brothers friends, mostly around 40 years old, and they all think SW'77 is one of the greatest movies ever, and I asked them what they thought of ESB, "ESB is a good movie, but it is no SW." I then asked them about ROTJ, "ROTJ, that movie is ridiculous!" Sounds kinda like OT fans here talking about the PT?

I will always go back to the rerelease of the SE in 1997:
SW- 136 million
ESB - 67 million
ROTJ- 45 million

If ESB was so beloved by SW fans, why did it get outgrossed by SW by roughly double the amount? Because SW will always appeal to the mainstream, and I am telling you alot of fans don't like "I am your father", cause they think it totally negates the whole first film, and that fairy tale adventure in 1977 turned into this serious scifi movie in 1980. I am in the middle of that group, as I still love the OT more then any movie series ever, yet SW'77 will always be #1 to me, and when I watch it Darth Vader, Luke, and Leia are NOT related.



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Go easy on Randy, guys. He's finally being civil, lets extend the same courtesy to him.

Would I trade ESB AND ROTJ for a chance to have SW in high-quality? I don't know...

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The problem with Coppola's quote about Star Wars robbing us of a great director, is that he seems to forget that Lucas hates directing! After 1977, he probably would have just disappeared like Terence Malick or something. So I don't think we were really robbed of anything, we got 5 more movies as gravy. And I bet it would be surprisingly easy to ignore one or all of them if he ever puts out a disc of SW 77 that looks equal to motherfucking Delta Force 2. I can watch Godfather I and never think about III, or the Godfather videogame, or the new spinoff novels. Star Wars will be no different if the movie is ever treated right. But, if the only way I could watch Godfather I was on a cruddy streched laserdisc from 1993 OR a new version with Andy Garcia and Sofia Coppola pasted into it, that would be a lot harder.

Uh, Oh yeah, this TV show will suck harder than Cop Rock.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Would I trade ESB AND ROTJ for a chance to have SW in high-quality? I don't know...


Now that is something I would not even do.

As far as Lucas not even liking directing, when was it that he said that? (I am not suggesting he never said it, I am just wondering what year it was that he said that). He sure has directed a lot of movies for a guy who doesn't like directing. And whether he enjoyed directing back then or not, it didn't seem to stop him from doing it, and I still honestly believe he would have gone on directing had he not taken the path that he had.

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Originally posted by: zombie84
What Star Wars meant before it got out of control as a franchise has been lost. It could have been just a classic piece of cinema, a timeless fairy tale in the vein of Wizard of Oz that stands as a flawless family classic and a monumental piece of American cinema that changed the course of history and imprinted itself firmly on the pop culture of its time.

I don't think it's been totally lost- SW '77 is still the only film in the AFI's top 100 movies of all time (it even moved up a few spots in the most recent list) and SW is still the only one of the films to have been nominated for best picture, although I've always felt that ESB got cheated because it was a sequel, to me it was good enough on it's own to have been nominated for best pic. Times have changed though, I think if Empire were made today, it would have been nominated and may have even won. The academy seems to look differently upon sequels now, with one of the LOTR movies winning best pic a few years back, and I think the OOT did a lot to change those perceptions about sequels.

I do think the PT has brought down the franchise to an extent, but I think it only has limited power to damage the OOT and SW '77 in particular. The OOT is just too damn good.

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Originally posted by: C3PX


As far as Lucas not even liking directing, when was it that he said that? (I am not suggesting he never said it, I am just wondering what year it was that he said that). He sure has directed a lot of movies for a guy who doesn't like directing. And whether he enjoyed directing back then or not, it didn't seem to stop him from doing it, and I still honestly believe he would have gone on directing had he not taken the path that he had.


Lucas has always said he does not like writing, or dreads the writing process, as he has all these thoughts, but has a tough time putting them down on paper. For instance, the Luke/Leia talk in ROTJ, Lucas talks about the process of writing that scene. "It is a scene I knew I had to put in, but I never know how much exposition is too much exposition, and you have alot of fans who want to see the movie and go from point a to point b, and I will always worry about a scene like this, am I losing the viewer?"

Lucas has never said he hated directing, from what i recall, and I do recall that he loved directing TPM so much, he decided to do the next 2 after he original to have someone else direct Episode II & III. If Lucas never became a businessman and just stuck with directing/producing, who knows what type of movies he would have done?

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Originally posted by: Mielr


I don't think it's been totally lost- SW '77 is still the only film in the AFI's top 100 movies of all time (it even moved up a few spots in the most recent list) and SW is still the only one of the films to have been nominated for best picture, although I've always felt that ESB got cheated because it was a sequel, to me it was good enough on it's own to have been nominated for best pic. Times have changed though, I think if Empire were made today, it would have been nominated and may have even won. The academy seems to look differently upon sequels now, with one of the LOTR movies winning best pic a few years back, and I think the OOT did a lot to change those perceptions about sequels.

I do think the PT has brought down the franchise to an extent, but I think it only has limited power to damage the OOT and SW '77 in particular. The OOT is just too damn good.


Yes, but you have to look at future generations watching SW, and they just aren't going to see that movie the same way we did after the PT. It has Episode IV on it, and the newer generation is going to watch it as the middle film, and not look at as either a standalone film, or a beginning film like it was before the PT.

Many will see it as the continuing story of the PT, or Anakin's story, and won't even watch it as that fairy tale movie that all OT fans saw it as growing up. You will watch the PT, then go to the Episode IV and see a drastic change in special effects and many young fans can't help but like one or the other.

I agree the movie has stayed a classic, despite Lucas changes to the SW saga, but I know all my nephews just call it Episode IV, as they don't even care what the names of the movies are, they just call it by its #. Only time will tell.

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All I can say here is that my sons will be presented them as I was presented them first.I will also present them the SE's.My eldest has already watched both the OOT and the SE's and he prefers the OOT versions (which I am pleased about).I like ROTS and can take or leave TPM and AOTC.As I have said before here I can watch SW in many ways.I can take it as the star wars fairy story,the original trilogy or the saga and I can enjoy all three aspects in different ways although my true love is,and will remain,the original film.However I will let my boys make their own minds up albeit with some fatherly nudges in the right direction.
As for the TV show I know some guys working on it and they are the kinds of fan similar to myself and they all seem rather positive about it so I will retain an open mind-for now.

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I should have some kind of auto-notify every time the Holiday Special is mentioned on this forum...

Originally posted by: DarthPoppy
When talking about Lucas's (and the Star Wars franchise's) track record with TV, let's not forget the original and mother of them all,
The Star Wars Holiday Special ! But let's also not forget that Lucas was not directly involved with the actual making of that show.

Originally posted by: see you auntie
If it was just Star Wars '77 we'd still have the Holiday Special
Nope... that didn't come out until '78!

Still, I'd take it. There was still enough magic left from the '77 Star Wars to give the Holiday Special (or at least parts of it) a place in my 8-year-old heart.

But add me to the list of people who'd be willing to give up ESB and everything after it if that was the price I had to pay to have Star Wars (and Lucas himself, possibly) remain untainted by the Special Editions, prequels, and EU in the future. I would totally do it.

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