I could see that clip working in the context of a movie version that doesn’t have dramatic cliffhanger endings.

Hal 9000 said:

I could see that clip working in the context of a movie version that doesn’t have dramatic cliffhanger endings.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see what format “Obi-Wan Kenobi” will be the most fitting as.

I really like the change to the Inquisitor scene on Tatooine Anjohan. Toning down 3rd Sister helps her character a lot here. I think a lot of the recommended changes are spot on, and currently torn on the Anakin reveal one. I’ll have to see how the dialogue around this plays out throughout the next few episodes before I can take a stance on it.

If you take out the logos intros, recaps, and the 6+ minute credits, these episodes are actually quite short and I am fairly certain you should be able to cut this into a single good film when it’s all said and done.

Acbagel said:

I really like the change to the Inquisitor scene on Tatooine Anjohan. Toning down 3rd Sister helps her character a lot here. I think a lot of the recommended changes are spot on, and currently torn on the Anakin reveal one. I’ll have to see how the dialogue around this plays out throughout the next few episodes before I can take a stance on it.

If you take out the logos intros, recaps, and the 6+ minute credits, these episodes are actually quite short and I am fairly certain you should be able to cut this into a single good film when it’s all said and done.

Happy to hear that, Acbagel.

Yes, the episodes are rather short thus far and a movie format looks like the plausible and rewarding route. However, the obvious is we’ll still have to assess more content to know for sure.

WitchDR said:

After doing rewatch… I wonder if it would be doable to have Reva’s first appearance be as the hologram to “Flea’s” character after they kidnap Leia. This way you could remove all the inquisitor nonsense from the first episode. Have her be a character we don’t know about yet, then properly introduce the inquisitors in the second episode. Depending on what happens with the Grand Inquisitor, I could see this working in a way. We’ll have to see!

Interesting idea. One problem I could see with this is that we lose the scene between Owen and Obi-Wan, and the introduction scene of the inquisitors I actually think is quite lit (up until they find The Jedi).

Sirius said:

For now, this seems to work better as a movie to me, rather than a series.

Agreed.

I don’t know how this series will develop, but for now, it would make a lot more sense to me if it was Vader leading this hunt for Obi-Wan, instead of Reva. Of course she should have a big motivation to hunt him, as it was implied already, but no one would have a stronger motivation than Vader himself.

Agreed here as well. My thoughts here are that it might be totally plausible later on to explain that Vader was the one initiating the hunt. The Inquisitors are just foot workers anyway.

I don’t know if it could work through AI voice lines, but it could be cool to see Vader ordering the inquisitors to hunt down Obi-Wan rather than Reva doing that by herself.

True. We’ll have to see how competent the Inquisitor storyline is handled first, as this has the danger of screaming fanedit if not done extremely well.

And I agree about the opinion to cut the inquisitors completely, if possible. Reva seems hard to cut, since she is the character that is moving the plot, and cutting her entirely would demand too much effort to make the plot work with editing. But, of course, the more the inquisitors are toned down the better, they are too bad unfortunately.

It is a plausibility, and definitely a solution if the Inquisitor plotline is useless and cringeworthy throughout.

I think to make this edit less fanedit-y and more profound, keeping the Inquisitor storyline might be preferable - but we’ll have to see how competent their story is handled in the upcoming episodes.

AS FOR VADER SENSING OBI CLIP;

The thought is that OBI-Wan has been cut off from the force (like Luke in TLJ) and that when OBI-Wan is using the force this is the very moment Anakin (strong af in the force as he is at this point) senses him and his whereabouts.

This could also work to explain why it is NOT Vader initiating the hunt - if we go that original route.

Vladius said:

So far the main things I don’t like about it are Reva and the quippy dialogue, mostly around Leia. Generally I don’t like Leia being in it all that much, especially the psychoanalysis “wise beyond her years” stuff.

It’s too on the nose. I hate how (Disney) Star Wars dialogue, and especially on female characters, always try to force personality traits that are not earned through subtle character growth. I think Obi-Wan’s line “How old are you?” is subtle enough to hammer home that Leia is a smart kid. We don’t need three deliveries in the same episode that she is wise.

They should watch all seasons of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, analyze it and realize how good, female characters are written. Even for short appearances.

Other than that I think it’s pretty good. Reva is definitely going to be one of those kids shown at the beginning and that’s how she knows Vader is Anakin, and she might also have some kind of personal connection to Kenobi in some way. It’s not super unreasonable for Kenobi to not know Vader is alive as it seems like he’s not really the public face of the Empire, and he never was in the OT either. Any Jedi who would have run into him would be dead or at least wouldn’t be able to contact Obi Wan.

Definitely.

Softened Leia Introduction

https://streamable.com/nupbaj

Leia Kidnapping:

https://streamable.com/cjvo9r

Anjohan said:

They should watch all seasons of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, analyze it and realize how good, female characters are written.

You mean as total psychopaths? I’m a big Breaking Bad fan, but female characters are really not Vince Gilligan’s strong suit.

Otherwise, I agree with your criticisms of Leia. I don’t understand why everyone seems to love her portrayal so much. A bit of precociousness and snark is fine, but having her do complex psycho-analysis of everyone she meets was a big mistake. Maybe it would feel more natural if Leia’s actress looked a bit older, but that’s out of the scope of a fanedit.

Provided the charlatan Jedi doesn’t show up later on in the series I wonder if it could be implied that Reva kills him after invading his mind. Maybe using the sound of her lightsaber screaming through with a flash of Bright crimson lighting up the screen - black out to the next scene. Her letting him go just seems very inconsistent with her character at this point.

Anjohan said:
They should watch all seasons of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, analyze it and realize how good, female characters are written. Even for short appearances.

Ironically, Deborah Chow and Kelley Dixon are BB/BCS alum. The director and editor both contributed to those shows haha

StarkillerAG said:

You mean as total psychopaths? I’m a big Breaking Bad fan, but female characters are really not Vince Gilligan’s strong suit.

What? I disagree. Kim, Skyler, Kim’s mother (only two cameos and i already want five more episodes with her), Fransesca and to a small degree Marie are all nuanced characters acting according to character traits developed from subtle and not-in-your-face character growth, often from good dialogue.

Otherwise, I agree with your criticisms of Leia. I don’t understand why everyone seems to love her portrayal so much. A bit of precociousness and snark is fine, but having her do complex psycho-analysis of everyone she meets was a big mistake. Maybe it would feel more natural if Leia’s actress looked a bit older, but that’s out of the scope of a fanedit.

Completely agree. One might forgive people for thinking they are watching an episode of Dr. Phil.

idir_hh said:

Provided the charlatan Jedi doesn’t show up later on in the series I wonder if it could be implied that Reva kills him after invading his mind. Maybe using the sound of her lightsaber screaming through with a flash of Bright crimson flashing the screen - black out to the next scene. Her letting him go just seems very inconsistent with her character at this point.

Agreed. I think that very inconsistency more or less confirm that he will show up again. To be fair, it’s another perfect example of how the writers of this show are all over the place; going against the moral of the very characters they write (most likely just to have a known actor pop up again).

NFBisms said:

Anjohan said:
They should watch all seasons of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, analyze it and realize how good, female characters are written. Even for short appearances.

Ironically, Deborah Chow and Kelley Dixon are BB/BCS alum. The director and editor both contributed to those shows haha

True, but Deborah only directed one episode of BCS (and nothing for BB). I wouldn’t say her limited time with their excellent staff have formed her career or abilities.

As for Kelley Dixon, having been a part of excellent writing for YEARS, just baffles me how she could be a part of this badly-executed Inquisitor storyline. This screams Disney interference to me. You just can’t be a part of well-oiled writing machine for years and years, given awards and praise and totally understanding the depth of character growth, and then go on to a Star Wars project and write some of the worst character interactions seen in that universe.

Kelley should’ve done alterations to the Inquisitor Storyline, and Deborah Chow should’ve done edits to her final cuts upon seeing the bad execution of the two chase sequences. Disney, however, probably wanted things differently - and for all I know they both were ruled out from doing final edits or major changes. Disney sure does have a long history of taking total control, and firing you if you don’t comply. And who doesn’t want that bag of money even if your praise for directing or writing goes out the window for a year or two? I sure would.

However, as I see it, the directing is what let down the first episode the most (The Leia Chase scene) - and that falls on the director, not the writers. It broke tone and believability, and instantly took a dark story and turned it into the realms of a silly cartoon for five minutes.

Anjohan, if I make make another suggestion to consider, I was also put off a bit by how Obi-wan was acting so depressed that he couldn’t even help Leia if he wanted to. Saying he’s “not that man anymore” type of thing, and then utterly rejecting Bail’s first offer to help her. I don’t at all have an issue with the idea that he feels his responsibility is to Luke and that he can’t leave him, but they first made Kenobi say that he is too weak to help, so then when he talks about his responsibility to Luke instead it feels more like an excuse instead of a real reason.

The idea that he has to choose between which one of Anakin’s children to protect is an awesome, heart wrenching decision. But they wrote it in such a way that at first he seemed more like a cowardly loser than someone with a huge burden to bear. His struggle around leaving Tatooine should be around the fact that he committed to Luke, not that he feels he is too weak to even confront run of the mill bounty hunters. He is Jedi Master Obi-wan Kenobi who defeated Vader in 1v1 combat, I get that he hasn’t wielded the force for a decade and has been in hiding, but they did not show enough about his life to explain why he can’t even confront mercenaries to save Anakin’s daughter…

The fact bothered me, and even my wife who isn’t as much into Star Wars as me piped up and said “That’s not Obi-wan, why wouldn’t he help Leia?” when he turned Bail down for that reason in the first call. What do you think about that? I say it would greatly benefit his character if you remove some of those overly cowardly lines in favor of his lines about needing to protect Luke.

Excuse me using this thread to think out loud, but as the only Kenobi fan edit thread so far I think it’s the best place.

I really wish I had time to play around with this show, but I don’t. My daily life is constantly overstuffed and it’s just not feasible.

That said, I’ve been thinking about how best to made a one-movie version of this story cohere well with fan edits like mine that have Padme survive ROTS to live on Alderaan. There’d naturally be some sort of acknowledgement that she’d passed on by this point, some line of dialogue about “Well ever since her (birth) mother died…” Or Bail acknowledging that she is his daughter and a true Organa, but that it’s okay to remember her “real” (just using the term Luke did for it) mother as well.

What we’ve seen so far, excluding the opening prequel recap montage, doesn’t flatly contradict the idea that Padme lived with Leia on Alderaan for a time, it doesn’t fit like a glove. Unfortunately we don’t get to see Leia in her room or anyplace like that, or I’d suggest adding a holo-photo similar to in Padme’s bedroom in that AOTC deleted scene. Maybe adding Anakin’s little japor snippet carving in the background. Or something like that.

If all that can be done is to remove things that imply Padme was never in the picture for Leia, cut lines when Obi-Wan says she reminds him of someone, because before he clarified he was thinking of Padme (and saying she had died a long time ago), I thought he had Anakin in mind.

If the “worst edits ideas” thread was appropriate for Kenobi spoilers I’d suggest having Leia’s Lola droid just speak painfully direct exposition in plain English. “Ever since your birth mother died seven years ago you’ve been precocious.”

Acbagel said:

Anjohan, if I make make another suggestion to consider, I was also put off a bit by how Obi-wan was acting so depressed that he couldn’t even help Leia if he wanted to. Saying he’s “not that man anymore” type of thing, and then utterly rejecting Bail’s first offer to help her. […]

I agree here. I will wait and assess for more content to get a better understanding of OBI-WAN’s state of mind in this series, but I think I will tone it down just a tad. I found the upright decline a bit confusing.

Sirius said:

Anjohan said:

Softened Leia Introduction

https://streamable.com/nupbaj

Leia Kidnapping:

https://streamable.com/cjvo9r

The Leia kidnapping is great. Really better than the actual scene.

Thank you, Sirius. I might alter it a little upon a release, but yea - it works.

Hal 9000 said:

Excuse me using this thread to think out loud, but as the only Kenobi fan edit thread so far I think it’s the best place.

I really wish I had time to play around with this show, but I don’t. My daily life is constantly overstuffed and it’s just not feasible.

I suppose you have kids? Got one myself. “Luckily for me” I’m my own boss and sneak fan editing into my evenings like a hungry man sneaks cake out a fridge.

That said, I’ve been thinking about how best to made a one-movie version of this story cohere well with fan edits like mine that have Padme survive ROTS to live on Alderaan. There’d naturally be some sort of acknowledgement that she’d passed on by this point, some line of dialogue about “Well ever since her (birth) mother died…” Or Bail acknowledging that she is his daughter and a true Organa, but that it’s okay to remember her “real” (just using the term Luke did for it) mother as well.

I’m excited to see how the story develops for the show and how relevant Padme will be in it. I suppose her name will come up again when Anakin reunites with Obi.

Seeing as how your edits are the go-to prequel fan edits for most (EP II and III for me), I’d absolutely have no problem adjusting them to fit a “Padme survived a year or two” scenario. It strengthens the story, and fixes a continuity error that bugs many. (And PS: Fanediting is like an itch. They just cannot help it. 😉)) Some day you’ll make your own - you know it, deep down.

vranir said:

While I’m enjoying the show so far, I’d like to see it recut as a single “Star Wars Story” movie, making a type of side-show trilogy with Rogue One and Solo to bridge from the prequels to the original films.

Completely agree. This edit is likely to become a film version, at a maximum of 3 hours, with a clear first, second and third act. And probably some new score additions as well, seeing as the score for the show (so far) is worryingly blend.

Kenobi and Rogue One look to be two great additions to the franchise, and a great bridge between prequel and OT technology, and film tones.

This guy gets it. 😃

You mean you don’t already have the whole thing mapped out?