I think they bodged up on the script in this part as they changed it probably whilst production had started but never bothered to join the dots with the leap back in time.
Or they had no other way of doing it.
It seems that way to me unless Somone can shed more light on it.
Jaitea said:
I'm with you on the thought that the probe travelled a good distance before finding Hoth....& the Destroyer that launched it, but the Destroyer looked alone out there whereas Vader was in a fleet, so I recon that the Destroyer that was sending the probes was jumping from system to system on its mission while The Executor in the fleet was monitoring any feedback
J
That's all how I viewed it too.
Jaitea said:
I'm with you on the thought that the probe travelled a good distance before finding Hoth....& the Destroyer that launched it, but the Destroyer looked alone out there whereas Vader was in a fleet, so I recon that the Destroyer that was sending the probes was jumping from system to system on its mission while The Executor in the fleet was monitoring any feedback
J
Couldn't possibly have already been in the Hoth system. Consider: "Admiral Ozzel came out of light speed too close to the system," implying that the Rebels would have already been aware of any ships present and likely to detect them. Also, "Comscan has detected an energy field emanating from the sixth planet in the Hoth system," implying that their sensors would likely have been able to pick up other energy readings, even just the generators for such a large shield. And simple logic alone would tell me that if I were in a system looking for signs of Rebel activity in a state of the art vessel with a capable sensor array, I would use my own ship and personally scan over the planets of the system instead of these little droids that can hardly cover any reasonable percentage of a planet's surface and expect it to find a needle in a haystack. Really, probe droids are intended to be a desperate measure for someone "obsessed with finding" someone, a shot in the dark as it were. I just can't believe the ship was actually in the Hoth system.
darth_ender said:
Jaitea said:
I'm with you on the thought that the probe travelled a good distance before finding Hoth....& the Destroyer that launched it, but the Destroyer looked alone out there whereas Vader was in a fleet, so I recon that the Destroyer that was sending the probes was jumping from system to system on its mission while The Executor in the fleet was monitoring any feedback
J
Couldn't possibly have already been in the Hoth system. Consider: "Admiral Ozzel came out of light speed too close to the system," implying that the Rebels would have already been aware of any ships present and likely to detect them. Also, "Comscan has detected an energy field emanating from the sixth planet in the Hoth system," implying that their sensors would likely have been able to pick up other energy readings, even just the generators for such a large shield. And simple logic alone would tell me that if I were in a system looking for signs of Rebel activity in a state of the art vessel with a capable sensor array, I would use my own ship and personally scan over the planets of the system instead of these little droids that can hardly cover any reasonable percentage of a planet's surface and expect it to find a needle in a haystack. Really, probe droids are intended to be a desperate measure for someone "obsessed with finding" someone, a shot in the dark as it were. I just can't believe the ship was actually in the Hoth system.
He didn't say it was already in the Hoth system. He implies that the SD is a good distance away from Hoth by saying that the probe it launched had to travel a good distance before finding Hoth.
Oops. Shows how carefully I was reading. My bad. Thanks for clarifying.
I thought about what you said before you posted and perhaps the shield was not activated.
But I am in the same camp that I think the probe travelled a long way before reaching the planet.
Here is the excerpt from the script weather you count it as canon or not
EXT. GALAXY - PLANET HOTH
A Star Destroyer moves through space, releasing Imperial probe robots
from its underside.
One of these probes zooms toward the planet Hoth and lands on its ice-
covered surface. An explosion marks the point of
impact.
The 4th draft by Kasdan which is the "shooting script" does not have this excerpt it starts with Luke on Snow lizard or Taun Taun.
The fith draft is unavailable but was an edit of the fourth draft from page 136 on wards which finalized just before shooting started. there eere a 3 further subsequent revisions to the 5th draft whilst during shooting. seeing as the opening with the star destroyer is all special effects based. I also going to say this sort of thing has Mr Lucus stamp all over it rather than Kasdan
re-posting from the ESB:R thread...
Ronster said:
Something I think ROTJ (would) benefits from is removing the whole Jealousy of Han... Let's face it, Leia frees him from Carbonite tells him she loves him and put's her own life in grave danger to get her man back. Han continuing to question weather or not she still fancies Luke is a drag and diminishes what we have seen previously.
I slightly altered your first line, but I don't think I changed your meaning and
I couldn't agree more! In ESB we watch Han and Leia fall in love and even express such feelings to each other. That building relationship takes up most of the film! Han being openly jealous doesn't fit his character and it undermines everything they went through in the previous film and even the opening scenes of ROTJ. It's a bigger insult than Alien3 killing off Newt and What's-His-Face in the opening scene.
obikal said:
Han should be jealous in ROTJ - it's actually a part of his character arc. He goes from acting like a tough mother I-don't-care attitude to actually wanting to settle down with a lady and talk about his feelings...
Most guys that act tough do so out of low self-esteem in the first place - he's only showing that he's able to deal with his feelings and take the high road "I won't stand in the way" instead of the typical tough-guy "Meh, I didn't care about you anyway..."
By being jealous, it shows he's matured... As odd as that sounds...
I've got no problem with Han showing his feelings, it's that he's already done that in ESB and he and Leia have already confessed love for each other. Han shouldn't be worried that Luke is gonna get the girl. Han already has her.
ROTJ should have shown them as a new couple rather than acting like they didn't fall in love in the previous film.
KnowhatImean?
I gotcha - but I think it's pretty honest for Han to not be sure because they've had no time to just be. If there was a year in ROTJ before the battle on Endor where they are frolicking around the fields together, then yeah, he should be fine. But after the late night talk he clearly doesn't understand in the Ewok village, followed up by the day-dreamy look she has when thinking about Luke after the battle... he's understandably confused. And hey, women ARE confusing beings after all... ;)
His jealousy stems from his low self-esteem plus what he sees as evidence of her love for Luke. His character growth/maturity is then shown when he thinks he finds out the truth and decides to take the high road instead of what Ep IV Han would have done: "Yeah? Well, I didn't love you either!"
Either way, his mid-kiss facial reaction as it dawns on him is fantastic and I'd hate to get rid of that too :)
In an ideal situation he would come out, ask what's going on. Leia would asked to be held and he'd just do it.
Then comes the great pay off, I can't find the link but a video was made (not my idea either):
LEIA : It's not like that at all...he's my brother.
HAN (smiles) : Convenient.
Bingowings said:
In an ideal situation he would come out, ask what's going on. Leia would asked to be held and he'd just do it.
Then comes the great pay off, I can't find the link but a video was made (not my idea either):
LEIA : It's not like that at all...he's my brother.
HAN (smiles) : Convenient.
That's great!
ray_afraid said:
Bingowings said:
In an ideal situation he would come out, ask what's going on. Leia would asked to be held and he'd just do it.
Then comes the great pay off, I can't find the link but a video was made (not my idea either):
LEIA : It's not like that at all...he's my brother.
HAN (smiles) : Convenient.
That's great!
That would be one of my many dreams come true about ROTJ if we did not have a jealous Han in the Ewok village (or in any scene). The whole thing comes off as an 'eye-roller' and unnecessary whereas the focus should still be on what Luke just told Leia, nothing else.
To be more technical for how it could look, I think, right after Han asks the question "Hey, what's going on?", we should get one last glimpse at Leia's distraught face (maybe taken from the footage when she's about to say " I.. can't tell you) still struggling to find words from the bombshell she just heard, until finally we get the scene of her saying "Hold me" and it carries on as normal from there.
^^ Yes Mac, that is how it works best
From a ROTJ perspective I always imagined coruscant to be like this as seen in the Tie-Fighter game for PC.
Emperors Palace. Like a Evil Castle sort of look to it.
Ronster said:
From a ROTJ perspective I always imagined coruscant to be like this as seen in the Tie-Fighter game for PC.
Emperors Palace. Like a Evil Castle sort of look to it.
Good, because that was clearly based on Ralph McQuarrie's Imperial Center art for ROTJ
I'd like to see a few more seconds worth of those creepy priests who follow Emp around.
So I had an idea last week and I took this morning to put it into practice.
It is a rough edit and an idea that needs a lot more fleshing out visually and so fourth but I thought of way to extend the asteroid chase using dvd menu elements.
See the rough edit to see what I mean
http://vimeo.com/109365671
Password: asteroid
So this idea popped in my head and I did this, this morning quickly for fun. Now I imagine If I had the visual effects skills I would only use the model of the falcon and replace the asteroids and backgrounds in all new shots and Have the tie fighters close on the tail of the falcon obviously not exploding to suggest Han can not get rid of them so easily. The asteroid we see when Han says closer to one of the big ones would be the one that the falcon does the spiral twist to avoid. The Cockpit background would be where we would see a surface of a much larger asteroid that they then fly over in the next shot. Perhaps the tie that flys over and crashes in the cockpit shot should instead be a laser blast. All just ideas but I have to say I quite like the way that it plays. And the music feels like it builds up a bit better too.
Let us know what you think, but bear in mind you will have to use your imagination to see how it can work as a flight to the large asteroid.
This was also brought up and I also believe the "Big Asteroid" might work if it got bigger slower and this sequence or something similar was added but once again let us know what you think about this. That being either dodge that asteroid or make it really try to appear much larger and I am leaning towards trying to make that asteroid feel much larger by slowing it down so it get's larger slower. Then in the second cockpit shot (new from DVD menu) I would use the big matte painting asteroid to show that we have got a lot closer and how big it really is using 2d animation but again getting larger at the same or similar speed. That is my current thoughts please tell me yours.
Bingowings said:
Look, if Sith get magic eyes when they are being naughty (and Anakin should have had them Bill Bixby style whenever he got angry and hid them under Arnie glasses) then Yoda etc should also get magic eyes when they are leaping around too (its only fair).
Maybe seeing as this is the Light side and the Dark Side the Sith should get dark eyes and the Jedi get light ones (like Shadow Vs Vorlon):
Only joking, it's a silly idea.
Epic idiot idea! Just like who thought it. Go back to watch your cartoons, moron.
^How bored do you have to be to criticise a five year old joke?
I don't mind but if you really have to try to call me names Charlie do it in the unmoderated off topic section where you won't get banned for doing it.
Is there anyway to change JerJerrod's character in ROTJ so that he's not so cowardly around Vader?
In ANH, Moff Tarkin and the others are almost totally dismissive of Vader. They outrank him and he's only hangin' around to impose fear on behalf of the Emperor.
Then Vader was suddenly the Big Boss in ESB, but I always thought that was becasue he's on his own ship, around his own crew and on his own secret mission.
Then in ROTJ, he's outranked and back to his old job of "motivating" the crew. Yet JerJerrod treats him as if he's the Emperor himself.
That doesn't add up to me.
JerJerrod is supposed to be a "Moff" like Tarkin was in ANH, so shouldn't he command the same power as Tarkin and not be so sniveling towards Vader?
This is one reason I wish Tarkin had survived the first Death Star. Having him show back up on the new DS greeting Vader at the beginning of ROTJ would have been perfect.
Short of completely replacing the actor it would be very difficult to do.
But on the plus side if the actor was replaced new dialogue could be added along these lines :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/635729/#TopicPost635729
Bingowings said:
...If the actor was replaced new dialogue could be added along these lines :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/635729/#TopicPost635729
Yeah, I like that! Make it so that JerJerrod is nervous about the situation with the forest creatures, not about talking to Vader.
It would also make it seem as like Jerjerrod (I hate that name!) is confiding in Vader behind the Emperors back, which is interesting.
Nah, I think the "stronger Vader" edit (which I haven't seen) of ANH Revisited should be the definitive chapter in this series, meaning on order of "management" per say, Emperor, Vader, everyone else. No Moffs or whatever. What the hell is a Moff anyway?
For one thing, Tarkin was a Grand Moff, while Jerjerrod was just a Moff. For another thing, Vader was outside the chain of command as was just a personal enforcer in ANH, but was later placed in the chain of command as of ESB, where he could even order admirals around. Or perhaps he never was given particular rules, and became more bold in his enforcement by the time ESB and ROTJ came out.
In the film he is just a 'commander' like any ranking officer in ROTJ.
We only know of him as a Moff (which I assume is sort of like a German 'Graf') or even get his silly name from the promotional material (the same way we knew Vader was a Sith Lord back then) which is a remnant of the much more prominent rival to Vader in the earlier drafts (think Prince Xizor from Shadows of the Empire).
Even in serving in this limited capacity he is hysterically frightened of Vader, if anything he seems more chilled around the Emperor and his entourage.
It would help play to Vaders increased isolation and paranoia if he no longer throws quite the shadow he did in the previous film but as I say it's difficult to make the character even remotely less silly without recasting him, which is a shame because Michael Pennington is a good actor and he iz honly hobeying horderz.
