How would you have handled Episode VI (6)? — Page 2

Reegar said:

NeverarGreat said:

 

As far as Luke and Leia being non-siblings, it's curious: What if someone wrote an "alternate" ROTJ fan script or even directed an animated film, and had Luke and Leia romantically paired together? Even if everything in the story was objectively excellent, I suspect the fact they're siblings is too ingrained in fans, and they'd never be able to accept romance between the two. 

 

Strangely, they may be more willing to go for a Jaime/Cersei type romance, if only because "Game of Thrones" is big right now. Check back in two years or so when it loses steam.

 

The book you're looking for is "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" The quasi-romance between them kind of works if you can remember that it was written before Jedi, but I couldn't keep from cringing.

Should I seek professional help if their dynamic ends up titillating me? You'll share at least some blame for the recommendation. 

I'll put it on my To Read list.

If you place yourself into a 1978 mindset, not at all. That's what I do to read through the pre '83 comics and books. And the drama.

Reegar said:

Ah, yes. . . the pre-ESB universe that has been systematically scattered and buried over these long years. If I excavate and uncover these things, the subsequent storm of nostalgia might wipe the speck that is me off the map.

But it'd be worth the risk. I hear from reliable sources that version of Star Wars is far more beautiful than the one we have now.

All right, I'll stop waxing poetic. I'm playing naive here.

By the way: kudos to the radio drama. ANH was at least good, the other two I don't know.

The actress for Leia had the most ALLURING female voice ever in existence. Vader and Han's took getting used to. Their voices are so radically different from their film counterparts that they feel like reinterpretations of the characters themselves. Obi-Wan sounded precisely the way a Merlin-type needs to sound, incidentally.

We could then go on in great detail about how the drama expanded on everything in the film, sometimes to great effect, with a sprinkling of the arbitrary in places. Overall superb. 10/10.

Ah, the pre-ESB universe was certainly a far more blissful existence. Heck, even after ESB there was still sort of this classic sic-fi element to it, completely missing from the prequels. 

By the way, ditto on the radio drama. The Star Wars one was by far the best.

^ I think that's what Kurtz wanted. He wanted a more open ended ending, so the possibility of a sequel trilogy would be easier. Lucas wanted closure.

Personally, Kurtz was right. Cliffhangers and open-endings are part of Star Wars' nature, and they either should have had an ending with more closure or a more open-ended one.

Ryan McAvoy said:

(It's like music)(It's like music)(It's like music)(It's like music).

Music doesn't rhyme.

If I could,  I'd attempt to do one with a count of 50,000-100,000. I'd even put it in script format, if I could manage it.

I do need good dialogue. I actually attempted to spitball my version of the ending here once, but gave up once I had to get to a point where a character would speak. I don't exactly consider myself the best authority on how these characters would react or speak, especially in the new circumstances they're presented with.  Maybe I'll test my skills, and try it out on you, or something. *shrugs*

Reegar said:

Is there anyone who would have at least a slight interest in reading a short story that acts as an "alternate universe" to ROTJ? 

Some proposals in this thread can string together for quite an entertaining tale. My word count goal would be 10 - 20,000. Nothing major. Everybody can walk away saving a lot of time if the story turns out less than exceptional.

I'd prefer to know before I start writing that a couple of people besides myself will read it. And maybe those people, if they are feeling gracious and in the mood, will write reviews. 

I'm always interested in reading other interpretations of the lesser Star Wars episodes, as they're usually more interesting than what happened in the movies. I'd recommend creating a thread in the scriptwriting forum and linking to that thread from this one, just to keep everything organized.

+1 reader.

Here's my attempt at a plot outline, scene by scene.

• Crawl
• Vader visiting the Emperor on the city planet (Emperor in the shadow throughout the scene)
• Luke on Dagobah, carrying out a successful version of the cave scene from ESB
• Lando, 3P0, and Leia preparing to leave for Jabba's palace
• 3P0 arriving at the palace gates, unwittingly gives Jabba a holographic message explaining that 3P0 is a gift (from Leia in her Boussh disguise this time)
• Vader arrives at Death Star II
• Luke constructing his lightsaber (Vader attempts to get into Luke's head)
• Yoda's Twilight and discussion with Ben (no Leia sibling)
• Leia and Chewbacca arrive in the palace, Chewbacce jailed
• Luke arrives at Tattooine
• Emperor arrives at Death Star II
• Leia unfreezes Solo, and the both of them are caught
• Luke arrives at the palace, and attempts to free them, Jabba sees through disguise and orders Luke and the rest to execution
• Dune Sea, Han and Luke reconcile, Lando and Han have uneasy relations, Leia kills Jabba
• All leave on Falcon, inside discussion, exposit rebel gathering
• Death Star II arrives at Endor (standard class-M planet)
• Rebel briefing, ( The assignment is different in this version. Endor mission is more espionage, Lando goes with them, Space mission is to be carried out later on, from the planet)
• Emperor and Vader discuss the plan to turn Luke
• Shuttle arrives at Endor, Vader once again attempts to get in Luke's head
• Ground mission (they take out imperial base, discover slave colony)
• Emperor sends Vader down to Endor
• Han attempts to train slaves, Lando and Han finally reconcile
• Night before strike, Luke attempts to converse with Ben, but fails, Vader attempts to attack, but Luke surrenders
• Leia discovers Luke missing, but Luke informs her he's fine
• Morning of the strike, Han capitulates Falcon to Lando and Chewie (not a scratch)
• Mid-Transit discussion between Vader and Luke
• Final plans are laid out, ships take off. Han and slaves begin to survey area for possible ways of getting to shield generator
• Air strike begins, Avenger is destroyed
• Luke is brought before Emperor, temptation begins
• Ground strike begins, Han is injured
• Air strike continues, Wedge dies
• Luke and Emperor, Luke is driven to duel with Vader
• Leia unsuccessfully attempts to breach shield
• Air strike, Falcon receives damage
• Luke and Vader duel, Luke attempts not to fight
• Leia attempts second break in, R2 is shot (badly)
• Luke is nearly driven to kill Vader, but stops, Emperor nearly kills Luke
• Air strike, Executor is brought down
• Vader kills Emperor, Luke brings a wounded Vader down to shuttle, Vader passes
• Leia destroys shield
• Luke makes an announcement to fleet, declares war over
• Planet celebration, Han berates Lando for damage to Falcon
• Luke and Ben have discussion on city planet (Ben mentions possible sister)
• Luke, Leia, and Han share discussion, Leia says they've begun reclaiming power
• Luke leaves on own to search for sister
• Credits

It could use work, but you get the gist.

Well, sure the actual PLOT outline is the same, but the  details will be very different. There's only so much you can say in a list. I'll try to communicate my thoughts here as best I can.

I want there to be a new subplot with Luke having a recurring nightmare (the result of Vader attempting to get into his head), and I want his face to be scarred to hell from his last encounter. He'll, like I said, be an outcast from the group until the very end. Also, he has, again, used this time to train with Yoda, as you mention in the story. Luke's first scene should be him carrying out a successful version of the cave scene, to show growth.

The slaves I added because I realized that there was a humanity aspect missing if it were simply to be rebels vs empire. I figured they could be a mix of various humanoid races from various worlds, and could supply information to the alliance about interiors of various settlements. Also, the film needed some sort of pulse-pounder before the 3rd act. 

I figured Lando would be feeling really bad about the events of the last movie, and constantly trying to regain trust from Han, who would be unreceptive to his attempts. Maybe just as simple as a role-reversal for the sail-barge battle, making it so that Lando saves Han. In any event, trust would be restored by the time the battle was underway, and Lando would get control of the Falcon for the air-strike. On 2 conditions. 1. Not even the tiniest of scratches. 2. Chewie must come with. Of course, he ends up breaking the first one.

Vader and the Emperor should be on more untrustworthy terms. Vader is constantly going against orders. And the Emperor is aware of his secret plan to upheave him and take power for himself.  Luke merely provides a catalyst for both of them to take each other out.

I want the Death Star II not to be destroyed. 1. it's a change of pace. We've had the bunker scene before and it's too run of the mill for Star Wars. 2. It's a more effective and Jedi-like solution to end the fighting. Maybe it could be destroyed as soon as its passengers have been taken off, as more of a symbol of the Empire's dissolution than anything else. 

Ben and Luke's final conversation should dwell more on the fact of Luke's history, leading to the revelation that his sister and he were seperated long ago. Luke shares a similar conversation with Han and Leia (Leia mentions something along the lines of "they're considering it" in regards to their participation in gov't) The film ends with Luke leaving the city planet (yes I will keep calling it that), credits. It's both a more conclusive and more open-ended ending, in classic Star Wars sense.

If anyone has any other suggestions for possible changes, please, let's combine a list of what we'd want to see.

BTW, you're not a heretic if you're just wanting to explore some other possibilities.

Reegar said:

Tack

If anyone has any other suggestions for possible changes, please, let's combine a list of what we'd want to see.

Let's. Unlikely that a straight democracy would work here, though, depending on who's permitted to contribute. If it's two people, that's fine. Any more, and we could sit here for the next decade arguing the list. You should be the deciding factor.

 

BTW, you're not a heretic if you're just wanting to explore some other possibilities.

 

Good to know! :)

I'm for the recombination, but I'm not sure if I should be moderator. No one should leave a boy of thirteen to decide the fates of the Star Warriors!

imperialscum said:

I would actually not change anything.

Same here, except...

I would revert the title to "Revenge of the Jedi".

AntcuFaalb said:

imperialscum said:

I would actually not change anything.

Same here, except...

I would revert the title to "Revenge of the Jedi".

And that's great! I'm not at all saying it's a bad move (on the contrary, it's quite good), it's just I feel that there's some things that (I and some others think) could've been done better. That's what this thread's all about.

^This.

Reegar said:

Vengeance goes against everything the Jedi stand for.*

*ideally

However, Luke was the only Jedi left and I think we'd all agree that his training was hardly complete, despite what Yoda said.

^That's the exact sort of issue we're hoping to address in this thread.