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For me some of the fresh introductions in ESB felt like they were going to go somewhere but didn't in ROTJ (presumably because Lucas felt out of love with Star Wars and what it over and done with).

One obvious example is Boba Fett.

A lot of work went into designing him.

His armour and his ship have the sort of detailing a comic book creator would put into a major new title.

He is clearly designed to be Solo through a mirror darkly.

If Solo was really as mercenary and cynical as he pretended in ANH he would be Fett.

He knows Solo's tricks and uses them to track him.

He truly is solo (he hasn't even got a sidekick like Chewie to keep him company).

It's a shame really he wasn't conceived as such when the first film was written.

He could have conned Greedo into confronting Solo in the cantina, he could have tipped the Stormtroopers off knowing that Solo would escape but just to be a thorn in his side.

When he turned up again in ESB the audience would then be tempted to ask, what's the beef between these two? It's not just a common bounty/hunter relationship here. Has he got some sort of personal grudge?

I know some people will find this galaxy shrinking but ROTJ had a opportunity to show how far Solo had grown and where he may be going (joining the Rebels full time, contemplating settling down with Leia etc) by showing what he could have become through Fett.

I suggested a fan edit scenario where instead of being a bodyguard waiting around to get killed in Jabba's palace Fett worked the Rebels and Empire off each other.

He is hired by Vader to lure the Rebels to the Death Star trap and hired by the Rebels to track the Emperor's movements.

Both gigs giving Fett the information he needs to pick up both paychecks.

If it were actually filmed back in the eighties rather than dropped in a fan-edit insert you could have a confrontation where Solo gets a chance to get even with Fett but doesn't.

Solo could instead (in his smart mouth way) question Fett about what the money is all for, which would mirror Luke trying to get Han to help the Rebels in ANH.

Something like :

Han : "That's a lot of cash Fett, what do you need it for alimony?"

Fett could walk off but without looking at him say "Yes".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Bingowings said:

For me some of the fresh introductions in ESB felt like they were going to go somewhere but didn't in ROTJ (presumably because Lucas felt out of love with Star Wars and what it over and done with).

One obvious example is Boba Fett.

A lot of work went into designing him.

His armour and his ship have the sort of detailing a comic book creator would put into a major new title.

He is clearly designed to be Solo through a mirror darkly.

If Solo was really as mercenary and cynical as he pretended in ANH he would be Fett.

He knows Solo's tricks and uses them to track him.

He truly is solo (he hasn't even got a sidekick like Chewie to keep him company).

It's a shame really he wasn't conceived as such when the first film was written.

He could have conned Greedo into confronting Solo in the cantina, he could have tipped the Stormtroopers off knowing that Solo would escape but just to be a thorn in his side.

When he turned up again in ESB the audience would then be tempted to ask, what's the beef between these two? It's not just a common bounty/hunter relationship here. Has he got some sort of personal grudge?

I know some people will find this galaxy shrinking but ROTJ had a opportunity to show how far Solo had grown and where he may be going (joining the Rebels full time, contemplating settling down with Leia etc) by showing what he could have become through Fett.

I suggested a fan edit scenario where instead of being a bodyguard waiting around to get killed in Jabba's palace Fett worked the Rebels and Empire off each other.

He is hired by Vader to lure the Rebels to the Death Star trap and hired by the Rebels to track the Emperor's movements.

Both gigs giving Fett the information he needs to pick up both paychecks.

If it were actually filmed back in the eighties rather than dropped in a fan-edit insert you could have a confrontation where Solo gets a chance to get even with Fett but doesn't.

Solo could instead (in his smart mouth way) question Fett about what the money is all for, which would mirror Luke trying to get Han to help the Rebels in ANH.

Something like :

Han : "That's a lot of cash Fett, what do you need it for alimony?"

Fett could walk off but without looking at him say "Yes".

You make too many assumptions here Bingo. A lot of work went into a lot of characters (like the other bounty hunters) and nothing more was planned for them. Sure, Fett looks cool, but let's not wank all over him like TFNers.

People forget Luke was the main character of these films - which of course is why they work (unlike say...Anakin Skywalker and the prequels). But in our modern era I guess Han Solo types are more "cool".

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Bingo, I love you.

 

Also, Darth_Ender, Wookiee has two E's.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Not that much work went into the other bounty hunters.

Bossk it the head of one Cantina denizen in the space suit of another.

Dengar is mostly cloth with some oversized stormtrooper armour.

4LOM is a an insect head on a protocol droid body.

Zuckuss is basically the same head over a brown robe, even IG88 is partly made from re-cycled airplane parts (already used in the first film as a drinks dispenser).

None of them had custom ships and none of them had the same amount of air time and not much of them was designed from scratch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Bingowings said:

Not that much work went into the other bounty hunters.

Bossk it the head of one Cantina denizen in the space suit of another.

Dengar is mostly cloth with some oversized stormtrooper armour.

4LOM is a an insect head on a protocol droid body.

Zuckuss is basically the same head over a brown robe, even IG88 is partly made from re-cycled airplane parts (already used in the first film as a drinks dispenser).

None of them had custom ships and none of them had the same amount of air time and not much of them was designed from scratch.

Fair enough. The irony here is that they looked just as cool as Fett. No wonder Empire went overbudget.

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Tyrphanax said:

Bingo, I love you.

 

Also, Darth_Ender, Wookiee has two E's.

 Good catch.  I spelled it right elsewhere.

Man, you tease a guy for his spelling and you never live it down!

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theprequelsrule said:

Bingowings said:

Not that much work went into the other bounty hunters.

Bossk it the head of one Cantina denizen in the space suit of another.

Dengar is mostly cloth with some oversized stormtrooper armour.

4LOM is a an insect head on a protocol droid body.

Zuckuss is basically the same head over a brown robe, even IG88 is partly made from re-cycled airplane parts (already used in the first film as a drinks dispenser).

None of them had custom ships and none of them had the same amount of air time and not much of them was designed from scratch.

Fair enough. The irony here is that they looked just as cool as Fett. No wonder Empire went overbudget.

I think it went overbudget because it was underbudgeted in the first place.

The first film was relatively cheap to make in modern terms (as were ROTJ and the PT), but it was still quite expensive for a genre film, nothing like Star Wars (high production values, special effects heavy, well cast, family Science Fiction Fantasy) had been made since probably The Forbidden Planet.

The second film could have coasted along at the level of the first film reusing all the same models and props (Splinter Of The Mind's Eye was plan B if Star Wars wasn't a big hit).

But I doubt if we would be talking here if it had.

In most ways ROTJ is ESB's Splinter Of The Mind's Eye.

Almost everything that works about that film is recycled from one of the others and almost everything that was new (with the possible exception of the Jabba puppet) was lacking the same sophistication that the first two films had (even so it also cost about the same as ESB despite having all those pre-built props and pre-designed concepts to pool from).

ESB attempted to up the game started by the first film (something rarely attempted with sequels before or since). That's why Kersh took so much effort on building the characters and making the film feel right. To top the first film in terms of look was bound to cost more than the first one (especially as the new locations meant not much could be recycled in terms of sets).

While some people here still prefer the first film most of what the general public view as Star Wars came from the second film.

As for Solo being more cool for modern audiences I remember when the first film came out my primary school music teacher (who in 1977 was already in her fifties) was raving about Han and nothing else.

In her eyes he stole the show.

So it's not a modern thing.

Solo (and Leia ironically considering the bombshell Lucas threw into the plot) was pretty much sidelined in ROTJ and while Luke is the primary character the success of the first two films was down to it being a well balanced ensemble piece.

Having his arc mirror Luke's would underline the main message of the film and the saga as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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darth_ender said:

Tyrphanax said:

Bingo, I love you.

 

Also, Darth_Ender, Wookiee has two E's.

 Good catch.  I spelled it right elsewhere.

Man, you tease a guy for his spelling and you never live it down!

Only if you keep making mistakes. ;-)

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Bingowings said:


As for Solo being more cool for modern audiences I remember when the first film came out my primary school music teacher (who in 1977 was already in her fifties) was raving about Han and nothing else.

In her eyes he stole the show.

So it's not a modern thing.


This reminded me of something I've noticed about Han. He seems a lot more sly in SW than in the sequels, with a much more weasely voice in parts, like when he says "I don't have it with me" to Greedo on Tatooine and during his conversation with Luke & Ben on the Falcon about the existence of the Force.

I'm not criticisizing this, mind you. Just making an observation.

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In that scene he is still a smuggler by trade, the man caring enough to turn up at the end and save the day was still hidden behind his professional bravado.

He is also talking to another chancer, who is proposing robbing and killing him (which make's Lucas' reasoning for 'Gringo' shooting first utterly farcical).

Lando is almost a projection of the man he could be if he continues to become responsible, the guy has to weigh his past friendship with the safety of the people in Cloud City (Leia would appreciate that if she wasn't a chip off the old block).

So having Fett as a projection of Han if he went in the other direction completes the set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M