How would you have done ROTJ? — Page 10

theprequelsrule said:

@twooffour: My point is that extensive use of special effects and "superjumping-awesome-ninja-jedi" -  which is what Aluminum Falcon seems to have wanted for ROTJ - make Star Wars worse, not better.

Wait? What? Unfortunately my friend it seems you misinterpret my ideas. Nowhere in my original post did I seek Matrix-esque lightsaber duels that the Prequel Trilogy  was plagued by. So, allow me to explain all my ideas.

First of all, I wanted a different environment than Endor. Yes, I do see how this could be interpreted as being PT-ish, but by exotic, I meant somewhere not common on Earth. A New Hope has great deserts featured in it and Empire Strikes Back has an icy wasteland and a swamp. Perhaps ROTJ could have not just stuck to what looked like a typical forest. Maybe another swampland was a good idea or possibly a volcanic planet (which would have been shot on some mountains with lava/volcanoes matted in, NOT on a green screen).

My second idea was to reverse the colors of the lightsaber. At the end of ESB, Luke has basically botched his training and been emotionally devastated. My idea was to accentuate how very close Luke was to falling to the Dark Side by having him have a red lightsaber. Also, Vader finding his old lightsaber could bring back old memories of when he was a Jedi and not a Sith. There could even be a contemplative scene of him igniting it and staring at it while alone. The old memories of a better him could help him make the right decision in the end. I actually don't see how this could be Prequel-ish since the lightsabers would not be overused too much...

The third idea I admit was bit far-fetched. It was for Ben to have finally mustered enough power to physically come back from the dead. Now he was actually more powerful than Vader could have possibly imagined, following up on ANH's iconic line. I guess it could be construed as similar to what happened to Gandalf in LOTR. Anyway, Ben could finally come back to even the battle. Someone could occupy the Emperor, so Vader and Luke could fight on a more even ground alone. Now, this is where I point out that I DID NOT MENTION ANY SUPERAWESOME-NINJA STUFF. Vader and Luke would fight as in the movie. However, the Emperor and Ben would have a mental battle. Lightsabers are beyond them both. In their minds, they would be using the force against each other, seeing who would weaken first. In their minds, the environment would shift, as they try to top one another's powers. Ben would have eventually lost because of some attack on the physical world. The EMperor would use his force lightning on both Ben and Luke, but then Vader would heroically throw him done the core shaft. As you can see, a mental battle is not superawesome Ninja fighting, it is the opposite. I did not want them physically fighting but rather mentally...

The last idea was a different director and I don't see how this is in line with the prequel thinking that George should direct everything...

Most people have never seen a desert let alone one with two suns and more than one moon.

cthulhu1138 said:

The Aluminum Falcon said:

First of all, I wanted a different environment than Endor. Yes, I do see how this could be interpreted as being PT-ish, but by exotic, I meant somewhere not common on Earth. A New Hope has great deserts featured in it and Empire Strikes Back has an icy wasteland and a swamp. Perhaps ROTJ could have not just stuck to what looked like a typical forest. Maybe another swampland was a good idea or possibly a volcanic planet (which would have been shot on some mountains with lava/volcanoes matted in, NOT on a green screen).

 

 You're forgetting one thing. These movies are for multi-cultural audiences. Many of those cultures saw the desert as COMMON. Others saw Hoth as common (although probably not as many). The only real exotic environments were Dagobah and bespin because they are the only two that don't actually exist.

Are they made for multi-cultural audiences, or do they just happen to appeal to multi-cultural audiences?

Just asking.

Slightly bigger than normal trees  alone are arguably not enough.

Only when viewed at very high speed do they look unusual. 

The high trees actually might help. Something to alter it from being typical Earth generally is interesting. As Bingowings pointed out, the desert in ANH had two suns and more than one moon unlike Earth.

Thinking about it, I probably am very biased since I live about an hour away from some of the forests used in ROTJ... That's probably why they seem so un-exotic. :)

The Aluminum Falcon said:

The high trees actually might help. Something to alter it from being typical Earth generally is interesting. As Bingowings pointed out, the desert in ANH had two suns and more than one moon unlike Earth.

Thinking about it, I probably am very biased since I live about an hour away from some of the forests used in ROTJ... That's probably why they seem so un-exotic. :)

I've been to the so-called "Zauberwald" (magic forest) in the German Alps, and hell, that one looks 100 times more excotic than Endor :D

Go there after it rained, and you'll start believing in fairytales :D

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

2. Haven't I shown a couple of weeks ago that I have far less of a grasp on how ridiculous I come off sounding almost all of the time than lots of other people on this board? Ask CP3S, he knows.

...One of the coolest angry little middle schoolers on the internets, in fact.

:-(

What, you want to be the coolest angry middle schooler on the internet?

;-)

Oh, NVM. I didn't notice the word angry there.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Thinking about it, I probably am very biased since I live about an hour away from some of the forests used in ROTJ... That's probably why they seem so un-exotic. :)

Where do you live? I used to live in Crescent City and Arcata.

Hey! Moar OTers who live near each other!

I'd like to have Ben's ghost at the final duel in ROTJ, just as a vision tho.

So that Vader sees it and remembers of his friendship with Obi Wan... and so that Palpatine sees it the moment before dying, he sees how through the bright side you can achieve some kind of inmortality.

Besides, Vader could be a Jedi again, and whatever, but this doesn't imply he's in good terms with Kenobi after his death...

Darth Bizarro said:

BETTER EWOKS!

Fixed.

Horrible Ewoks with pink skin, no overbites, and five fingers on each hand!

I would have liked to see George's original plan of having the big battle take place on Kashyyyk with Wookies.  And I think it would have been cool to see more verticle fighting among the trees.  How cool would it be to see a group fight to gain the high ground by actually climbing multi-kilometer high trees, struggling every step (grasp?) of the way?  With that, I felt the Wookiee battle in Ep III was a bit of a letdown, as I always envisioned the Wookies high in the sky, never coming close to the surface of their planet.

^This 

^Not This!