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In my opinion, the ideal way to do a restoration of the original SW with the access to all the archives would be to use the original negative wherever possible for the luma information. Even if they did actually cut up the negative for the SE, they surely did keep the cut parts in a vault, not to do so would be insane, so they could scan those separately. There should be no need for any guessing games of "was this shot recomposited" or "was this wipe redone" because the original bits should be easily recognizable by their markings and the kind of stock used.

And then whereever the o-neg may be too damaged or faded, they should use the next best source, be it an IP or IN or only in the worst case scenario a theatrical print.

All this should be done to reconstruct the o-neg in digital in the best possible quality.

Then they should scan a non-faded print (be it I.B. or LPP), color correct the scan, so the colors correspond to the print being projected with a 70s projection light bulb and then apply only the color information from this to their reconstructed negative.

Then a carefully controlled cleanup should be done to remove any remaining dirt and scratches but keep the grain structure of the negative intact.

And then SW would be ready for not only BD but also a 4K release (provided the work was done in 4K of course).

But I'm afraid that a release like that is just a pipe dream.

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Harmy said:

In my opinion, the ideal way to do a restoration of the original SW with the access to all the archives would be to use the original negative wherever possible for the luma information. Even if they did actually cut up the negative for the SE, they surely did keep the cut parts in a vault, not to do so would be insane, so they could scan those separately. There should be no need for any guessing games of "was this shot recomposited" or "was this wipe redone" because the original bits should be easily recognizable by their markings and the kind of stock used.

And then whereever the o-neg may be too damaged or faded, they should use the next best source, be it an IP or IN or only in the worst case scenario a theatrical print.

All this should be done to reconstruct the o-neg in digital in the best possible quality.

Then they should scan a non-faded print (be it I.B. or LPP), color correct the scan, so the colors correspond to the print being projected with a 70s projection light bulb and then apply only the color information from this to their reconstructed negative.

Then a carefully controlled cleanup should be done to remove any remaining dirt and scratches but keep the grain structure of the negative intact.

And then SW would be ready for not only BD but also a 4K release (provided the work was done in 4K of course).

But I'm afraid that a release like that is just a pipe dream.

I too don't believe the cuts made during the SE era have gone anywhere. Fox and LFL know exactly where they are and it would be a rather simple matter to get everything together again.

Reconstruction of the o-neg, wet gate scan, professional color timing to match a 70s era print, and storage in 4k may sound like a lot, but compared to the historical value involved in such a project, the cost would be very little.

I'd love to know what (if any) agreements Disney made to GL prior to the sale. Wait 'til I'm dead? Never? It's fascinating to think about.

Also, for those who keep insisting that Fox has any rights other than distribution for SW 77, I'd like to see evidence of that. Compared to Disney, Fox is nothing and Fox will do pretty much whatever Disney dictates at this point.

Disney wants George Lucas to be a consultant on the three (or more) upcoming films, so they don't want to upset their cash cow at the moment. If they think an OOT would upset him right now, they'll wait, and so will we. It'll happen, though.  

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The original negative is in seriously rough shape after their first restoration. Here's a snippet of an interview with one of the people that worked on that restoration:

Tanaka: I remember when we were working on the Star Wars restoration, that was a different process. I think we optically recreated interpositives. But in order to do this, it went through some kind of warm chemical bath cleansing. The weird thing about Star Wars was that it was made up of different film stocks, so it went through this bath and they didn’t know what would come out on the other end...

Parker: You mean if it would survive or not? ‘George we might destroy your entire film, but it’s... we think it’s going to be OK.’

Tanaka: There’s a space battle shot and a close-up on Hans Solo, and the original negative is coming out of this cleaning solution and it’s just acetate.

Parker: It’s all clear. Oh no, did the bath dissolve it?

Tanaka: Yeah, it dissolved it, depending on the film stock.

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Yes, exactly, there are some parts, which like I said, would have to be replaced with IPs or some such.

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Random question - any thoughts on still making this a 2 disc effort when the authoring gets closer to happening? Just curious if it might be possible to squeeze the special features onto one disc.
Only reason I ask, is that I want to know if I should look for any dual disc cases ahead of time (already have a stack of standard blu ray cases that I got some time ago).

Any input on authoring software, or was one settled on for when the time comes?

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Random question - any thoughts on still making this a 2 disc effort when the authoring gets closer to happening? Just curious if it might be possible to squeeze the special features onto one disc.
Only reason I ask, is that I want to know if I should look for any dual disc cases ahead of time (already have a stack of standard blu ray cases that I got some time ago).

Any input on authoring software, or was one settled on for when the time comes?

 He decided to put the extras on a separate disc weeks ago.

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Harmy said:

In my opinion, the ideal way to do a restoration of the original SW with the access to all the archives would be to use the original negative wherever possible for the luma information. Even if they did actually cut up the negative for the SE, they surely did keep the cut parts in a vault, not to do so would be insane, so they could scan those separately. There should be no need for any guessing games of "was this shot recomposited" or "was this wipe redone" because the original bits should be easily recognizable by their markings and the kind of stock used.

And then whereever the o-neg may be too damaged or faded, they should use the next best source, be it an IP or IN or only in the worst case scenario a theatrical print.

All this should be done to reconstruct the o-neg in digital in the best possible quality.

Then they should scan a non-faded print (be it I.B. or LPP), color correct the scan, so the colors correspond to the print being projected with a 70s projection light bulb and then apply only the color information from this to their reconstructed negative.

Then a carefully controlled cleanup should be done to remove any remaining dirt and scratches but keep the grain structure of the negative intact.

And then SW would be ready for not only BD but also a 4K release (provided the work was done in 4K of course).

But I'm afraid that a release like that is just a pipe dream.

 

Well Harmy, you have certainly got my vote to head up the restorative team!  You should brush up that paper resume just a tad (to include along with a copy of SWDE v2.5) and send it into Disney along with your proposal… ;)

(…I say that half jokingly, but ONLY half jokingly!)

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So, I finally found a little free time to finish the scripts for all the extras for the v2.5 BD release, except the one about sound-mixes, which I just can't do, as I don't have a deep enough understanding of it to do it properly.

Now, I'd like a few volunteers (preferably native speakers) to read my scripts and check for consistency and some grammar mistakes I might have made. I'd also prefer people I already know, because I'd like to be sure the scripts won't leak before the docs are done :-)

I also need someone to look at the scripts and write one in similar spirit for the sound doc.

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I'd be happy to help. Just let me know what I need to do. :)

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Would be more than happy to help if you trust me enough :)

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 He decided to put the extras on a separate disc weeks ago.

True. Just thought I'd see if that might've changed. 2 disc cases are no biggie :) (edit: or, using 2 separate cases - either way)

Really wish I had a printer that printed directly on the disc for disc labels, but everything else is easily lined up.

Exciting news on the extras / scripts!

edit: if any more English grammar proofreading is wanted, I'd be glad to review.

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As I see it, this restoration represents a simpler time, back when I'd sit down at my grandparents' house with a pack o' Butterkist and watch the original movie on my VHS tape... although that was the 1981 version, it's probably a little different... but still, it's as enchanting as I remember it! This is the version we've all been waiting for, I think!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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I can probably help with the audio script if you like, Harmy, though input from hairy_hen would probably be necessary. 

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Hairy_hen told me he'd give it a shot, so hopefully, he'll find the time :-)

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English is one language I have a knack for, luckily.  Send me a link if you would like any more help with proofreading.

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If you still need help proofreading harmy, I can take a chunk of it to parse.

update: scratch that, just read the "people I know" part :) .  Looking forward to release! :)

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Harmy, since I'm sure you already have more than enough trusted people to help with English proofreading & editing, probably the most helpful thing I can do is reproduce the credits list of those who helped translate the subtitles for your Sourced Documentary awhile back ago.

Link to post.

Non-English subtitle translators for Sources Doc:

French translation: johnlocke2342

German translation & proofreading: GeorgeKaplan1959, deho

Polish translation: Feallan

Spanish translation: Vali

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I can't know for sure if these users are available and able to help again, but I suppose it can't hurt to provide a reminder that they've helped out in the past. Reply to this post or PM me if I can help more!

Best of luck!

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Back when the Sources doc came out, I had completed an italian translation and was already beginning to dub it. Then, Harmy said he was gonna re-write everything and add more content, so I stopped working on that.

I, of course, volunteer to translate everything in italian, and if you're interested I could provide a dub track.

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Well, I was thinking that having several different language subtitles would be great but only if it wouldn't mean a big delay (and there are bound to be some deviations from the scripts in the final docs, so the subtitles can't really be done until the docs are finished).

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Harmy, if you still need proofreaders, I'd be happy to help!

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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I'd be happy to help if you need anything. I'm fluent in Danish. 

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