Harmy is there a chance to upload it to a "normal" (meaning non-CR) server ? I seriously hate ulozto, it gives me usually less than 100kbps :-( Of course if it's too much for you to upload I will leave it for this night :-)
Yeah, I'm afraid I can't upload elsewhere at the moment.
No problem, I leave my computer on for the night :-) Thanks anyway
Harmy said:
OK, here's the next half an hour of the WP:
http://www.uloz.to/12777696/deed-v2-0-wp2-2-mp4
It's basically a continuation of the 2nd WP and shows the Death Star sequence. Because it's not the whole film from the beginning, I decided to use a hardcoded timecode. Also, the colours are not final, I'd like you to focus on any technical errors if you can.
Downloaded & watched!... Well I didn't detect anything obvious.
All the "despecialized inserts" seems fine to me... Just noticed that the color needs some heavy rework (but you already mentioned it)
To me sometimes skin tones looks very yellow and other times very brown....
Congratulations Harmy. I'm sure the final version it's gonna be awesome!
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I'm watching it now and except the small colour problems it looks fantastic
I just got a chance to watch some of this on another computer and the light sabers look so good.
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Ok, first of all I haven't been able to follow this thread as closely as I used to, so I don't know if any of what I will post have already been discussed or pointed out.
I skipped through the newest workprint a bit, because I thought I'd help out a bit and usually one finds some stuff when just skipping that you wouldn't notice when watching it normally.
So here's the most apparent thing I found. A color inconsistency which I don't know if it's something I caused with the render I gave you Harmy, or the blu-ray itself. I've deleted the render from my harddrive so there's no way for me to check.
Here it is, the color difference is that in the second shots most of the blue colors seem to be completely desaturated to grey.
Oh, yeah, I see what you mean. I don't think there'll be much I can do about that.
Ok, but you're doing a great job anyway. The workprint looks really good! I hope I can look at it a bit more some other day and see if I can help spot more things.
By the way, if comparing those shots in the second pic in the GOUT, they're even more inconsistent. Check this, it's from my script for DJ's project:
You_Too said:
Ok, first of all I haven't been able to follow this thread as closely as I used to, so I don't know if any of what I will post have already been discussed or pointed out.
I skipped through the newest workprint a bit, because I thought I'd help out a bit and usually one finds some stuff when just skipping that you wouldn't notice when watching it normally.
So here's the most apparent thing I found. A color inconsistency which I don't know if it's something I caused with the render I gave you Harmy, or the blu-ray itself. I've deleted the render from my harddrive so there's no way for me to check.
Here it is, the color difference is that in the second shots most of the blue colors seem to be completely desaturated to grey.
How many Frames does the blue desaturate for?
You could Ps the colours back in if its not too many
J
It's a lot of frames, and you know, when I said there was nothing I could do about it, I meant without rotoscoping. Once you start doing that, almost anything is possible but I am just not doing that. I bet if you just watched it normally, you'd never even notice this anyway.
Ok....Haven't downloaded part two yet....looks good so far
J
You_Too said:
Ok, but you're doing a great job anyway. The workprint looks really good! I hope I can look at it a bit more some other day and see if I can help spot more things.
By the way, if comparing those shots in the second pic in the GOUT, they're even more inconsistent. Check this, it's from my script for DJ's project:
If I had to choose one I'd have to side with the top pick. Both seem like extreme examples though.
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vbangle said:
If I had to choose one I'd have to side with the top pick. Both seem like extreme examples though.
Actually that's just how the GOUT is, and even the original prints of SW according to some sources: Inconsistent.
The reason it's not seen in the raw GOUT is because it's very desaturated.
To be honest, I'm getting pretty tired of this whole colour debate. Sometimes I envy Adywan, he was doing his colour corrected AVCHDs before all this IB Print madness, he had it easy, the simple fact that he improved the colours over the 2004 version was enough for everyone to be in awe. Don't get me wrong, he did a great job, he just didn't have to put up with people being unreasonably demanding in terms of colour accuracy. Modern Blu-Ray transfers of older movies are often not completely colour-accurate to how they appeared in cinemas and they're still awesome releases, celebrated even by the biggest film buffs. I'm not saying that colours don't matter, they matter greatly, but they just don't have to be 100% perfect.
To some extent, I agree, Harmy. I think that in the long term, the color of the control panel lights does not detract from the overall color scheme and movie feel. I think what people are getting caught up in is the fact that you are doing such an amazing job, and they want to ensure that it is completed to the best of today's standards. I haven't seen WP2 yet, but I want to emphasize how much I appreciate the work that has gone into making this as accurate as possible. Thanks! :D
For what it's worth, Harmy, I've observed that the nitpickiness of people's comments increases in direct proportion to the amazingness of the editor. When people become hyper-critical, they do so because they believe the editor in question is capable of successfully meeting their expectations. The fact that people are scrutinizing the colour in every frame of the work print is, in a roundabout way, a compliment to you. If people didn't think this preservation was any good, or if they didn't have the level of faith in you that they do, they wouldn't bother posting such criticisms in the first place.
That being said, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for you to be on the receiving end of a seemingly-ceaseless onslaught of comments regarding how the colours could be tweaked, especially after hours of work. As much as I'm a stickler for theatrical accuracy, at the end of the day when V.2 gets released, I know I'm going to forget about all these minor nitpicks and be able to sit back and enjoy Star Wars as it originally was, and that's really all that matters.
“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers
Harmy said:
To be honest, I'm getting pretty tired of this whole colour debate. Sometimes I envy Adywan, he was doing his colour corrected AVCHDs before all this IB Print madness, he had it easy, the simple fact that he improved the colours over the 2004 version was enough for everyone to be in awe. Don't get me wrong, he did a great job, he just didn't have to put up with people being unreasonably demanding in terms of colour accuracy. Modern Blu-Ray transfers of older movies are often not completely colour-accurate to how they appeared in cinemas and they're still awesome releases, celebrated even by the biggest film buffs. I'm not saying that colours don't matter, they matter greatly, but they just don't have to be 100% perfect.
Hey you're the one that said this a few weeks ago:
"I must say I'm quite disappointed in you guys; making a blatantly careless decision like that, I expected a huge backlash and you didn't say a word. I need you guys to motivate me to do the best job I can..." :P
Seriously though, everyone here agrees you're doing a fantastic job, and I totally agree with the last two posts: it's because we all see the great potential of your project, that we are naturally going to be that much more critical about every little aspect of the footage.
I mean, just the thought of being able to sit down with a bowl of popcorn and simply enjoy Star Wars again, without constantly being distracted and taken out of the movie by ridiculous re-edits and crappy cgi, is obviously very exciting to say the least for myself and fans everywhere.
It is this excitement that has us all analyzing every frame and engaging in ridiculous and rather nerdy debates about whether Luke's lightsaber looks green or blue, and about how bright the stars appeared at the theater 35 years ago.
We all know it will not be 100% accurate. That is not possible. But we also know that DeED 2.0 has the potential to be great, and become the best available SW restoration to date.
I have no doubt, from what I've seen, that your finished product will look fantastic, and I can't wait to enjoy Star Wars again, just like I did when I was a little kid.
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas
Harmy I gotta tell ya, the last comparison pic you posted of the sunset scene, it honestly made me a bit misty-eyed. I know how lame that sounds, (lamer to me than it does to you, trust me dear reader) but it really hit me on an unexpected emotional level. For me (and no doubt many others) that scene has always been the most identifiable scene in the trilogy. It's what made the film seem so real. Your colors really restore it to what I remember seeing originally and brings back the beauty that has been lost for so long. Outstanding work. Thank you.
Honestly dude? I think you have gone way beyond the call here, and in any case really am not familiar enough to catch many of these minor color gaffes. The fact that you've actually improved over the 2nd WP, which was already, IMHO, a revelation to most of us here, is beyond amazing.
I think most people who continue to push are motivated by the desire for you or anybody else not to have to release yet another version after this, and because, as corellian77 said, uh, you can. But it does feel at this point like tinkering around the edges, right? So if we don't get it exactly right, it's really not much of a loss, unless you've completely lost the ability to enjoy the film as a film, with real people who won't know the difference, a fat tub of popcorn, and some pizza rolls, instead of as a trained 70s film historian/nitpicker
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
Harmy, I agree with everybody above, you are doing a wonderful job, and are capable of making this movie better than most of us have ever seen.
With that being said, I did come across one thing that might need fixing.
I didn't see it the first time through, so it is fairly minor, but I did notice it on my work computer (which tends to be a little bit brighter). At the bottom of the window, the space seems to be blue, and if I look closely I can see it around the perimeter of the entire window.
Keep up the amazing job!
Thanks guys :-) I was half joking there :-)
The thing about that quote Cobra Kai posted is that it wasn't about a colour issue, it was about a technical issue, which is what I hoped people would point out when seeing the WPs and previews and instead, most of what I hear is about colours.
Trust me, I fully understand that the colours are important as well, I'm just getting a little tired of redoing them all the time based on vague comments, which are not very helpful and it just makes me feel frustrated sometimes.
For example the vague skintones comments, you have to realize that there is some skin visible in most of the shots in this film and I don't have a magical tool that can recognise faces and recolour them separately, so when someone makes a comment about the skintones being all wrong or all over the place or something like that, what they're basically saying is that the colours are all wrong, in the whole thing (they may not mean it that way but it is the practical implication). And after working on the colours for hours and hours, this is very frustrating.
It's something completely different when someone points out a particular shot where he thinks the skintone is wrong and explains how it is wrong, that is helpful, because I can look at it and if I agree I can change it (if you still have WP1, compare the scene of Vader talking to Leia on Tantive IV to WP2 and you'll see what I mean).
I just began watching WP 2.2. The blue of Tarkin's eyes is striking
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
i noticed that one of the laser shots that was censored in the special editions is censored in your WP 2.2. I don't have WP 2.2 on me right now so i can't give you the time code but it's when luke and han get to the prison cell holding and the guard behind the conosles goes to pick up his gun when the fighting starts. instead of showing him get shot it immediately cuts to him falling backward. I think the uncensored shot was in version 1. did you leave it out to see if we were paying attention? ;-) i'm surprised no one else has caught that.
Where's my damn medal?
Partly, yeah :-) Also, I decided to redo it, because just like with the other one, in v1.0 I was using Ady's version of it, which had new lasers and additional flashframes.