Tyrphanax said:
In most games/shows/whatever, you can ignore prequel/SE nonsense, but Boba's new voice is there to stay, sadly, and will just follow us wherever we go.
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Someone's gotta tell Chewtabacca that his name is frightfully uncool now.
I'm so sorry.
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TV's Frink said:
Wait...you mean all this time, "OOT" wasn't "Original Original Trilogy" but rather "Ocarina Of Time"?
Whoa.
Now you know how confusing it was for me coming here already being a fan of the Zelda series, which is why I use OUT instead.
Though I still imagine people talking about Star Wars: Ocarina of Time sometimes.
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DuracellEnergizer said:
Tyrphanax said:
In most games/shows/whatever, you can ignore prequel/SE nonsense, but Boba's new voice is there to stay, sadly, and will just follow us wherever we go.
Not when it comes to the Sith, you can't.
I was always under the impression that Vader was labeled a Sith Lord in the script/officially-licensed products, and the fact that the Emperor could use Force powers implied that he was as well. I never saw any problem with the Sith being expanded upon for that reason, to be honest.
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Ditto.
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Tobar said:
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Interested to hear Tyr's reaction to this. =P
I've actually given this a lot of thought (obviously).
It's totally true that if you look at Boba's accomplishments onscreen in Empire, it's not an impressive record; he's only onscreen for a short time, doesn't have any huge explosive battles where he does cool stuff, his name is never mentioned, he only has a couple lines, he doesn't really do all that much, and if you watch that prototype video of his armour, you see he doesn't even get to use half the functions they built into it. Honestly, if he didn't look so damn cool, people would probably not like him so much, and that coolness is his complete appeal.
The thing about Boba that makes him so cool is his subtlety, and for that we have to give Jeremy Bulloch his due. He took a character that otherwise did really nothing exciting (onscreen) and turned him into a badass (beyond already looking like one), just by playing it cool and confident. And he did do cool stuff in the film; just subtle stuff: somehow knowing the Falcon was disabled and would hide in the garbage to escape, tracking it to Bespin undetected, talking back to Vader/staring him down like it was nothing, almost blasting Chewie, knowing Luke was there and almost blowing his head off, and capturing one of the most-popular main characters of the series.
I'm not going to claim Jeremy Bulloch as the greatest actor ever just because I'm a Fett fan, but I really do think his acting was the complete difference between a forgettable secondary, background character, and a fan-favourite, cult-following-level primary character with a ton of EU about him. Bulloch managed to make the character stand out by just taking a cool-looking character and complimenting that with cool-looking acting; just making very slow, very concise, very deliberate, very confident movements turned Boba from scenery into a real character that people wanted to learn more about.
Also not to be ignored is Jason Wingreen's vocal performance; Boba not only looked badass and moved like a badass, but sounded like one as well. Just the perfect gruff, hardened, gravelly voice you'd expect a guy like Fett to have.
I utterly hate that Lucas took the route he did with the whole origin story crap. Bah. Now Wingreen's great voicework has been totally replaced and I have to deal with a reminder of the prequels whenever I play a game with Boba Fett in it now, which I fupping hate. That's part of why I'm not super torn-up about 1313's likely cancellation: I was NOT looking forward to hearing Temuera Morrison (or worse, Daniel Logan) as Boba and wishing it had been a Wingreen sound-alike instead.
It's one of the worst changes of the films, honestly, regardless of your standpoint on Boba. In most games/shows/whatever, you can ignore prequel/SE nonsense, but Boba's new voice is there to stay, sadly, and will just follow us wherever we go.
Fett was one of my favourites aswell. Just because he had that aura of smart, hard, cool about him. He was out to earn his crust as a bounty hunter and didnt give a **** how he got the job done. The battle scarred Mandalorian armour was all part of his mystique. If you had a high bounty on your head then you knew the infamous Boba Fett was after ya. And the PT ruined him. I didnt need to know who his dad was, and that he was an annoying,irksome brat. That's not how I'd envisaged him after ESB. I'd imagined some kind of slave (hence the ship name) who had a rough childhood, escaped slavery, and was forced to get by on his own. And life experience turned him into a tough SOB who eventually became a bounty hunter. A notorious bounty hunter. The (original) voice did fit that portrayal. Cold and calculated. Morrison is a very good actor, in 'Once We Were Warriors' he plays a violent, abusive, alcoholic bastard and he does it extremely well. So Jango didnt really test his acting prowess and he sleepwalked through the whole thing, probably. But the kiwi twang isn't something you relate to Fett and the AOTC ruined his mystique.
I used to be a Boba fan, but then AOTC & ROTS came around and ruined everything.
SilverWook said:
It drives me nuts when Wookiee is misspelled. Especially when it's someone on the Lucasfilm payroll. ;)
For most other misspellings me & my OCD feel the same (most will know about my particularly strong dislike for the misspelling of the BD acronym).
But I tend to misspell "Wookiepedia" - deliberately, just to piss off EU-nerds and TFn members.
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The best part is that they're giving a lot of books this treatment, so basically whatever big time literature (classics, sci-fi, historical documents, religious texts) you're into, they have a fancy version like this of it. Just check out their gorgeous Jurassic Park/Lost World cover with a bit of a classic feel to it:
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-- Top Five Star Wars Predictions
Qualifiers- over the next five or so years;
Sequence- unranked;
Original/unaltered movies- All six movies will be released in their unaltered forms sooner rather than later. Lucas already did the big Blu-Ray release. Disney doesn't have much to exploit with yet another re-release. Plus, they know the demand is out there.
Original/unaltered fans- Abrams and Disney will go far out of their way to appeal to fans of the oh-riginal trilogy. They want them back in the camp. Because of that, I'd be surprised if there's much reference to the prequels in the new movies apart from big picture stuff.
Casting- Hamill, Fisher, Ford, (Billy Dee) Williams, Mayhew and Daniels are all coming back. John Williams? Your guess is as good as anybody's. As to Episode 7, people will probably enjoy it but it likely won't become the new Empire. It won't become the new Phantom Menace either though.
Expanded universe reboot- This is shakier. Could be wrong here but all the games, novels, comics and other things are too unwieldy. Plus, Disney will want to rebuild Star Wars from the ground up. Why wouldn't they? My bet is Disney will rebuild the EU from scratch using the original versions of all six movies as their base canon. It's kind of inevitable if Episode 7 includes Chewie (who's dead in current continuity).
Fan Edits- Disney will eventually drop the hammer of God on people producing fan edits and other derivative works. It's how they've always rolled in the past. If you dig alternative cuts of Star Wars, my advice is to get 'em while you can.
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Qualifiers- Even less likely than the above;
Scorched earth reboot- Delete the prequels too. Disney may think (with some justification) that they could do a better job of telling Vader's history. Modern audiences are very well acquainted with the idea of reboots. This could be a sellable concept. If it comes to this... yeah, I would actually expect the Disney prequels to be better than George's.
Holiday Special- Lucas only reluctantly acknowledged that the Holiday Special exists. Anybody care to wager Disney is more willing to laugh about it? After all, it's another Blu-Ray to sell and it's not like it's *THEIR* screw up...
All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.
They were pretty tolerant of Gargoyles fandom in the past. It would be a P.R. black eye if they suddenly got draconian on this one. (It would be like if they went after every person wearing a homemade Marvel Superhero costume at a con.) They want our money after all.
Since there has been a trickle of H.S. merchandise over the years, finally releasing the damn thing (with a retrospective in which everyone involved has a good laugh) would be the next step. I fear some music licensing issues might come into play though.
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Since there has been a trickle of H.S. merchandise over the years, finally releasing the damn thing (with a retrospective in which everyone involved has a good laugh) would be the next step. I fear some music licensing issues might come into play though.
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There's one change that I want someone to make to Return of the Jedi to connect it better to the prequels.
When Vader is being electrocuted by the Emperor, the bomb in his head should go off, making a horrible CGI mess all over and eliminating the need for that boring talking scene with Luke and Anakin at the end.
This way it's like poetry, they rhyme...
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If you refer to the small device implanted when Anakin was a slave, it was probably deactivated and removed before he became a padawan. And where was it stated it was in his head?
If they knew where it was, it could have been removed long before TPM, and Anakin could have led a revolt, which resulted in Watto being pushed into a pizza oven. ;)
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Expanded universe reboot- This is shakier. Could be wrong here but all the games, novels, comics and other things are too unwieldy. Plus, Disney will want to rebuild Star Wars from the ground up. Why wouldn't they? My bet is Disney will rebuild the EU from scratch using the original versions of all six movies as their base canon. It's kind of inevitable if Episode 7 includes Chewie (who's dead in current continuity).
I'm glad Luke & Leia flirted with incest; it added gravitas to the franchise.
Just had to post this. I was having a conversation with my mother regarding the financial bust of the Disney "John Carter"movie (so sad, I'm a huge fan of Burroughs' Barsoom series) and how naming it different could have saved (?) the movie.
She insisted that "John Carter of Mars" would have still not cut it, as it's a boring premise of an Earth man who is... from Mars? No logic.
And citing: "Now, I movie about Boba Fett from Oberon, that would be awesome."
:D
So...what is your mother wearing?
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Diego said:
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.
Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.
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imperialscum said:
Diego said:
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.
Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.
I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken.