General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 308

Maybe the prequels suck.

TV’s Frink said:

Maybe?

What I’m saying is maybe that’s the explanation for this dilemma they’re trying to solve.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Maybe the prequels suck.

That’s what I was sayin’.

Also,

Lord Haseo said:

Luke had a social life though; Biggs, Tank and his other friends outta know about the Jedi.

Yep.

Lord Haseo said:

Luke had a social life though; Biggs, Tank and his other friends outta know about the Jedi.

Also shouldn’t there be footage of Jedi that existed? Surely some beings would have had video documentation of them due to the Clone Wars being so expansive. And if not from that then from the Jedi being general peace keepers. The Empire removing the footage Holonet isn’t a suitable excuse to cover this up.

Should there be footage though? Does the SW galaxy get news like we do? Did the Jedi get media attention?

SW operates more on the logic of a fantasy series than it does regular Sci-fi. Despite all the future tech, people live very old fashioned lives. I don’t think Luke had a TV or Internet.

We’re only assuming that the Jedi were “well known”. Sure people may have been aware of their existence, but I’ve never gotten the impression that anyone (other than politicians, generals, etc.) knew exactly what they were capable of. Most people in the Galaxy probably assumed that their powers were just rumour even before the Empire.

ray_afraid said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Maybe the prequels suck.

That’s what I was sayin’.

Also,

Lord Haseo said:

Luke had a social life though; Biggs, Tank and his other friends outta know about the Jedi.

Yep.

TATOOINE: THE EARLY YEARS

BIGGS: “Hey Luke, did you ever hear about the space wizards they called the Jedi?”

LUKE: “Gee, no Biggs, I haven’t.”

BIGGS: “They could movie things around with their minds, using something called the Force.”

LUKE: “C’mon, Biggs, that sounds silly.”

BIGGS: “You’re probably right, but it’s a cool story.”

Just about sixteen years ago they were everywhere and ran the galaxy. Even Lil’ Annie knew all about 'em! Even if (maybe especially if) there were huge galaxy-wide book burnings, ban on all evidence, believers rounded up, ect., plenty of people would remember it and there would be plenty physical evidence to back it all up.
There just isn’t enough time between ROTS and ANH for me to buy any of it. I’m just not willing to believe that everyone in the galaxy is that stupid.
Like CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said, the prequels suck.

ray_afraid said:

Just about sixteen years ago they were everywhere and ran the galaxy. Even Lil’ Annie knew all about 'em! Even if (maybe especially if) there were huge galaxy-wide book burnings, ban on all evidence, believers rounded up, ect., plenty of people would remember it and there would be plenty physical evidence to back it all up.
There just isn’t enough time between ROTS and ANH for me to buy any of it. I’m just not willing to believe that everyone in the galaxy is that stupid.
Like CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said, the prequels suck.

That does leave Ben though. He’s the right age for the accepted timeline. So is Vader, come to think (what I’m saying is that they’re human and the timeline is compatible with human lifespan). It’s probably more a problem of misrepresenting the Jedi in the prequels than a timeline issue. They should have been a more covert and mysterious organization. I think benevolent, organized, monkish vigilantes would have been better than seeing Yoda taking meetings with Senators.

Anakin does notice Qui-Gon’s lightsaber though, which is apparently an unusual thing for a non-Jedi to do. Maybe even in their heyday, Jedi preferred to move unseen among ordinary people when out and about in the wider galaxy.

Anakin lived in a more populated part of Tattooine, (and even then, it’s the ass end of the galaxy) and it’s suggested in TPM he talked to a lot of the space pilots passing through.

Luke arguably grew up in the boondocks. It’s implied he’d never even been to Mos Eisley before the events of the movie.

SilverWook said:

Luke arguably grew up in the boondocks. It’s implied he’d never even been to Mos Eisley before the events of the movie.

It’s all but stated outright because Obi-Wan has to explain to Luke how wretched the place is.

SilverWook said:

Luke arguably grew up in the boondocks.

So did I. Tiny place close to nothing. I still knew world history and the goings on of the current world and so would Luke. He knew about the control of the Empire, sympathized with the plight of the rebellion, ect. He wasn’t cut off from information.
The prequels suck!

ray_afraid said:

The prequels suck!

/thread

ray_afraid said:

Just about sixteen years ago they were everywhere and ran the galaxy. Even Lil’ Annie knew all about 'em! Even if (maybe especially if) there were huge galaxy-wide book burnings, ban on all evidence, believers rounded up, ect., plenty of people would remember it and there would be plenty physical evidence to back it all up.
There just isn’t enough time between ROTS and ANH for me to buy any of it. I’m just not willing to believe that everyone in the galaxy is that stupid.

Lil’ Annie hardly knew “all about’em”. He thought they were unkillable. I don’t remember the details (I haven’t seen TPM in many years) but someone mentioned earlier that it was implied that it was quite unusual for him to recognize Qui Gon’s lightsaber, and that his information mostly came from the space pilots in Mos Espa.

ray_afraid said:

SilverWook said:

Luke arguably grew up in the boondocks.

So did I. Tiny place close to nothing. I still knew world history and the goings on of the current world and so would Luke. He knew about the control of the Empire, sympathized with the plight of the rebellion, ect. He wasn’t cut off from information.

Was the Force part of world history? People in the galaxy may have known to various degrees who the Jedi were, but the Force is a completely different matter. ANH never implies that Luke didn’t know who the Jedi were. He knew about the Clone Wars and never questioned Ben when he said that he was a Jedi Knight. He only reacted to Ben telling him his father was a Jedi, and he simply didn’t know what the Force was.

Like I’ve already said, why would Luke, a poor farmer on a little backwards planet out in the middle of nowhere know about the exact details about to a spiritual order of just a few thousand that mostly operated on the other side of the galaxy. Plus, when the Jedi did travel to Outer Rim worlds they hardly made a big spectacle of themselves. Add twenty years of propaganda and it makes sense that a Tatooine farmer would only know the basics, but no details. Keep in mind that Han, a smuggler from Corellia, a much larger but still kind of backwards world, knew about the Force, but had no reason to actually believe in it. Despite having been roughly 10 years or so during the end of the Clone Wars. He lived close enough to the Inner Rim to know about the Force, but never having met or seen a Jedi he had little reason to believe in the more fantastical rumours/stories he heard about them.

SW may be futuristic, but peoples lives are more comparable to roughly a hundred years ago than modern society. Imagine then if you’d only heard about these warrior monks that lived on the other side of the planet. They’ve been gone for twenty years, but you know enough history to know that they actually existed. But then when some guy claims that they actually had magical powers, it’s improbable that you’d actually believe him. Even if if the guy swore he had actually seen it personally.

ray_afraid said:

SilverWook said:

Luke arguably grew up in the boondocks.

So did I. Tiny place close to nothing. I still knew world history and the goings on of the current world and so would Luke. He knew about the control of the Empire, sympathized with the plight of the rebellion, ect. He wasn’t cut off from information.
The prequels suck!

Yes, but Star Wars is often like a space “Western”. Luke is the wide eyed kid who’s grown up on the farm and seldom been past the nearest small town. He’s heard stories about the Empire and Rebellion from people in Anchorhead. (The town, not my fellow mod.)
And Owen could have cut certain pages out of the Galactic Encyclopedia. 😉

The concept must at least exist, as Luke mentions it.

                              *THREEPIO
                     Is there anything I might do to help?

           Luke glances at the battered robot. A bit of his anger drains 
           and a tiny smile creeps across his face.

                                 LUKE
                     Well, not unless you can alter time, 
                     speed up the harvest, or teleport me 
                     off this rock!*