I’m sure this has been discussed at some point but let me reiterate. At the end of New Hope Han gets enough money to pay off Jabba the Hut, but in Empire he still has a price on his head. I don’t understand why he didn’t just pay off Jabba first, then meet up with the rebellion on Hoth. Is there a reason for this that I missed?
It’s never explained in the movies, but I’ve always figured that after the medal ceremony at the end of the film, the Rebels scrambled to get outta there. Han, caught up in the moment and with new found affection for his friends, decided to put off his own troubles to help out.
Also, as Han says in Empire, he’d almost decided to stay, but a bounty hunter on Howard Mandel changed his mind.
That part I can’t explain. 😉
ray_afraid said:
Also, as Han says in Empire, he almost decide to stay, but a bounty hunter on Howard Mandel changed his mind.
That incident must have happened within a week or so of ESB taking place so why didn’t he pay it off in the 3 year time span between SW and ESB? I can understand taking a liking to these people and their cause but he could have at least sent someone to pay the bounty for him seeing as how he was a General in the Rebellion.
It’s not real history, so you can imagine whatever you want. I just can’t see it as some kind of plot hole.
I’m sure this has been discussed at some point but let me reiterate. At the end of New Hope Han gets enough money to pay off Jabba the Hut, but in Empire he still has a price on his head. I don’t understand why he didn’t just pay off Jabba first, then meet up with the rebellion on Hoth. Is there a reason for this that I missed?
I’m pretty sure impscum can answer this.
Well unfortunately it is a plot hole in ESB. He could have paid immediately and return to rebellion or never attempt to do it again. As I said many times on this subject, if Han decided to pay Jabba after 3 years, there is no way Jabba would let him live even if he brought a huge pile of money. As crimelord, keeping ones reputation is the most important thing. A guy who fooled him twice in front of his men, has to be made an example of. There is just no other way.
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Han may have been simply caught up in helping find a new base and relocating to Hoth. He also could have been doing missions for the Rebellion, none of which got him close enough to pay Jabba in person. I guess there’s no paypal in a Galaxy Far Far Away. 😉
Han may have also felt “safe” from Jabba’s reach hanging out with the rebels, until the bounty hunter encounter.
There’s also the question of what happened to the money between ESB and Jedi.
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Also if you don’t watch ROTJ afterward him owing money and not paying it doesn’t effect the plot at all.
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I’m sure this has been discussed at some point but let me reiterate. At the end of New Hope Han gets enough money to pay off Jabba the Hut, but in Empire he still has a price on his head. I don’t understand why he didn’t just pay off Jabba first, then meet up with the rebellion on Hoth. Is there a reason for this that I missed?
I’m pretty sure impscum can answer this.
Well unfortunately it is a plot hole in ESB. He could have paid immediately and return to rebellion or never attempt to do it again. As I said many times on this subject, if Han decided to pay Jabba after 3 years, there is no way Jabba would let him live even if he brought a huge pile of money. As crimelord, keeping ones reputation is the most important thing. A guy who fooled him twice in front of his men, has to be made an example of. There is just no other way.
Well I’ll be…Now let’s see if I can get you to see faults in SW and ROTJ.
I’m pretty sure he can answer everything.
I slightly revised your statement to be compatible with the truth.
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It’s not hard to use your imagination to come up with an number of reasons things played out the way they did. Again, this isn’t real history, so nobody has the real answers.
It’s not hard to use your imagination to come up with an number of reasons things played out the way they did. Again, this isn’t real history, so nobody has the real answers.
It isn’t hard to come up with hundreds of reasons why he didn’t/couldn’t pay it immediately after ANH. However, it is impossible to justify his decision for a clear suicide in ESB. Jabba wouldn’t care about any reason at that point.
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There’s nothing onscreen to indicate Jabba wouldn’t accept payment at that point.
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It’s not hard to use your imagination to come up with an number of reasons things played out the way they did. Again, this isn’t real history, so nobody has the real answers.
impscum’s specialty is claiming to have answers to unanswerable questions.
JEDIT: I mean, correct answers, of course.
There’s nothing onscreen to indicate Jabba wouldn’t accept payment at that point.
There are tons of obvious things that are not onscreen. There is no need for Ric Olie telling audience the obvious.
Anyway, what I said is eventually confirmed onscreen in ROTJ.
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Yeah, him refusing triple the payment indicates that Jabba had other motives; that being to make an example of him. Even having Han’s carbonfrozen body was not only for his own enjoyment but was to incite fear as well.
If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.
That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.
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If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.
That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.
The rebel reward might have been hefty for Han. However it was less than a change for a galactic crime lord, as was the price for hiring bounty hunters. In the best case he would kill him quickly/painlessly and take the money. Of course he wasn’t going to be so generous, as indicated in ROTJ. For the rest, read Lord Haseo’s post above.
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Well unfortunately it is a plot hole in ESB. He could have paid immediately and return to rebellion or never attempt to do it again. As I said many times on this subject, if Han decided to pay Jabba after 3 years, there is no way Jabba would let him live even if he brought a huge pile of money. As crimelord, keeping ones reputation is the most important thing. A guy who fooled him twice in front of his men, has to be made an example of. There is just no other way.
Yeah, that makes a bit more sense.
The best way to solve this plot hole is to simply assume Han never really intended to pay Jabba and was simply using it as a very bad excuse to leave the rebels for whatever reason.
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Did you guys even see the end of IV? He must have been living in luxury as a hero. No wonder he didn’t wanna leave. As you guys said tho, he probably could have sent one of his servants to pay Jabba tho.
I believe there was an original Marvel comic at the time that depicted Han losing his reward from the Alliance.
If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.
That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.
The rebel reward might have been hefty for Han. However it was less than a change for a galactic crime lord, as was the price for hiring bounty hunters. In the best case he would kill him quickly/painlessly and take the money. Of course he wasn’t going to be so generous, as indicated in ROTJ. For the rest, read Lord Haseo’s post above.
Show me where that is even implied on screen. Clearly Han in ESB thought it was enough to go and pay Jabba.
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I believe there was an original Marvel comic at the time that depicted Han losing his reward from the Alliance.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_7:_New_Planets,_New_Perils!
His reward was stolen by pirates allowing Marvel to maintain Solo exactly as he was in ANH until Lucas would specify otherwise.
In one issue Han actually solves his debt problem with Jabba (or rather the early walrus-mam version), only to have Marvel quickly create an excuse for Jabba to change his mind back in the last issue before ESB once they realised that Han was still in debt in the movie.
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I believe there was an original Marvel comic at the time that depicted Han losing his reward from the Alliance.
Yes, it was stolen by space pirates led by Crimson Jack, operating out of a salvaged Imperial star destroyer. (An operation Han later destroyed.) Han later saved Jabba’s life when a personally led attempt to capture Solo went horribly wrong. Jabba grudgingly forgave the dent.
Jabba was secretly funding Crimson Jack’s operation, and later learned Han was responsible for it’s end, and reinstated the bounty just in time for the ESB adaptation.
JEDIT:ZkinandBonez sort of beat me to it. 😉
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Speaking of the original Marvel comics, should I get into those? I own the latter half of their SW/ANH adaptation in an oversized book (see below) and I’m interested in collecting more issues.
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Speaking of the original Marvel comics, should I get into those?
Yes! They’re a lot of fun, especially the years between SW and ESB. The only downside of the collected editions is you don’t get the letter columns and ads of the day. Interesting to get a glimpse into what fans were thinking back then.
I’m almost afraid to handle my original issues today.
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