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Anyhow, here you go:
Original theatrical subtitles....
Anyhow, here you go:
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EDIT: Do you know if Star Wars used the same font as Return?
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Thanks, Mielr. That was me who wanted to know. Hmm, so that's what it looks like. Certainly looks a good spot better than the damned font they use on the newer DVDs... and look, it's actually in frame! Who would have thought that would be the case?
Thanks, Mielr. That was me who wanted to know. Hmm, so that's what it looks like. Certainly looks a good spot better than the damned font they use on the newer DVDs... and look, it's actually in frame! Who would have thought that would be the case?
I've never seen a film (in a theater) with subtitles that had the titles anywhere else but on the frame. Where else could they go?
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Sorry for the confusion, Mielr. But it is a pet peeve of mine what they've done for the subtitles of the widescreen DVDs.
Sorry for the confusion, Mielr. But it is a pet peeve of mine what they've done for the subtitles of the widescreen DVDs.
Sorry- I misunderstood.
I actually liked the way the subtitles were on the Faces LD's (just below the image, in one line only) and I wish they had been kept that way on the DVDs which have a lot of the subtitles in two lines now, chopping them off when you zoom in with some DVD players. 
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Totally unrelated note, but look at your, Mielr, at 999 posts! Take the plunge. Almost a Jedi Knight!
Thanks for noticing....HERE WE GO....WHEEE!!!! LOL! Totally unrelated note, but look at your, Mielr, at 999 posts! Take the plunge. Almost a Jedi Knight!
It's funny...I don't FEEL any different!?
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I remember during the GOUT debacle someone mentioned that dvd's can be made with a flag telling the player that it's a "widescreen" disc even if it's not "anamorphic widescreen," and this can allow for things like automatic xy scaling. Even then, I'm not sure if the player would automatically move the subtitles into the safe zone for zooming or if it's possible to do that at all.
I remember during the GOUT debacle someone mentioned that dvd's can be made with a flag telling the player that it's a "widescreen" disc even if it's not "anamorphic widescreen," and this can allow for things like automatic xy scaling. Even then, I'm not sure if the player would automatically move the subtitles into the safe zone for zooming or if it's possible to do that at all.
My RCA DVD player (which actually belongs to my sister) actually moves the subtitles into the "safe zone" when you zoom in. But, I understand that a lot of peoples' players don't do that.
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'Empire Of Dreams' shows snippets of Jabba from ROTJ with the subtitles shown above, which according to my memory, is what i saw in 1983.
I still have an off-air copy of ROTJ taped from ITV in the UK in the 80s which has the original subs, so much so that some very dodgy panning was required to read the lines as they were spoken.
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Hard to tell - there are a lot of fonts that look similar. I'll have to consult my ancient Letraset book.
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I am new here, btw, but am a long term lurker. Hello!
I am new here, btw, but am a long term lurker. Hello!
Hello, gwr!
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Originally posted by: zombie84
I think all of the OT footage in EOD is just taken from the Laserdisks though.
I think all of the OT footage in EOD is just taken from the Laserdisks though.
You mean they pulled a dr.gonzo/cowclopsv2 when they made it?
This is something I've long suspected, and if it's true that means it's another nail in the "we'll never see the OOT restored/remastered" coffin. Is there any proof of this, like softness or a "blowed up" look, etc?
When thedigitalbits broke the non-anamorphic news in May of '06 they said they were pretty sure the footage from EoD was filmprint-sourced, although their only logic was that it probably couldn't have come from anywhere else and still be in anamorphic video. That said, if one of the earlier laserdisc releases did in fact use the original subs it opens up the possibility that the EoD footage was not filmprint-sourced. I guess it all depends on how you interpret Kevin Burns' line from the '04 press junket that they "were granted Papal dispensation to go back and use the footage from the pre-SE release .... but I will say what was shocking was that those scenes .... in our minds eye they looked a lot better than they do when you go back and revisit them and you do see how the quality of the print (or) - the quality of the negative really doesn't hold up the way you think it might, so you kind of understand why things have been revised and digitally restored."
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Originally posted by: gwr
I still have an off-air copy of ROTJ taped from ITV in the UK in the 80s which has the original subs, so much so that some very dodgy panning was required to read the lines as they were spoken.
I had the same recording, and remember that dodgy panning. I've since lost my tape - do you have any way of recording those segments to DVD and making clips available for reference?I still have an off-air copy of ROTJ taped from ITV in the UK in the 80s which has the original subs, so much so that some very dodgy panning was required to read the lines as they were spoken.
Funnily enough, the ITV airing of Star Wars did not have the original subtitles. The widescreen bootleg is the best reference, but it's so blurred it's hard to get an exact match. I made an attempt to approximate the original with subtitles overlaid using AviSynth:
However, I found such an approach is not suitable for CRT displays because the extreme left and right edges extend past the "safe title" zone and might end up being geometrically distorted, or even cropped out altogether in the overscan region.
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Originally posted by: gwr
I still have an off-air copy of ROTJ taped from ITV in the UK in the 80s which has the original subs, so much so that some very dodgy panning was required to read the lines as they were spoken.[/Q"]I had the same recording, and remember that dodgy panning. I've since lost my tape - do you have any way of recording those segments to DVD and making clips available for reference?"
I will hunt the tape out and convert it some time soon.
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I've spent the last month searching the house for my old video tape of this but havn't been able to find it.
The 1st time I saw ROTJ was on rental VHS and I remember the dodgy panned and scanned subtitles on that so my question is...
Does the 1986 PAL VHS release of Jedi feature the original theatrical subtitles?
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Actually, I think I know of another scene that would test this: The original entrance to Mos Eisley. Near the end of EoD, a few short before/after clips are shown of the new effects. There's very obvious DVNR smearing on the THX version in this shot. Any pre THX release could not look nearly as bright with the correct color as the sample from EoD. So does the animorphic widescreen clip from the documentary have the smearing?
This is from dvd active, they have a guide to the alterations.
This clip is also shown on the feature about the special edition from the 97 video release in pan & scan. Anybody know the source for those original clips?
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