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Filmmaker and New Yorker film critic Richard Brody's thoughts on the prequels. — Page 8

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Dek Rollins said:

Quite a stupid argument had ensued, but it’s all good now. I think we’ve cooled off. Opinions are opinions, and when all I’m asking for is a specific reference and the opposing won’t provide it, what can I do but continue asking for it or just give up? 😉

I shouldn’t fucking have to

Smithers said:
Since for whatever reason you don’t see it yourself: https://youtu.be/XIfkGaOSwQ4?t=5m38s

It’s so overt that George’s intent doesn’t even begin to compensate for how racist this shit is.

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Dek Rollins said:
Thank you.

Was it really necessary to have me post examples of shit you already know about?

Seems kind of childish to me but what do I know?

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I don’t think I’ve seen any of those videos before, and no, I can’t just magically figure out where a video might be where someone has an accent that sounds just like Nute’s. I know what stereotypical accents sound like, and that’s why I wanted a specific example, because as far as I knew, there wasn’t a single accent I’d heard before that sounded just like Nute’s. And not all of the videos you posted showed a comparable accent, but some were similar, so I was satisfied. That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years. And somewhat that article I posted earlier.

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IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
…We truly are the most pathetic fanbase in the world.

We’re definitely in the MLP, Minecraft, Breaking Bad and FNAF spectrum. Only difference being is that there are a lot more of us than them.

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Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
…We truly are the most pathetic fanbase in the world.

We’re definitely in the MLP, Minecraft, Breaking Bad and FNAF spectrum. Only difference being is that there are a lot more of us than them.

Speak for yourself. I don’t even know your language.

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Dek Rollins said:

That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years.

You mean the guy who said they have Japanese accents?

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Truth has no language barrier 😉

Even though our fandom can be shite at times at least 4/7 of the movies are great (imo) and that’s all that matters at the end of the day.

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years.

You mean the guy who said they have Japanese accents?

…this whole thing is ridiculously funny

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

That said, I’m going to have to keep my opinion on the Neimoidians with the guy that lived in Japan for 10 years.

You mean the guy who said they have Japanese accents?

I have never known someone from Japan who learned English as a second language, so I don’t have first hand knowledge, all I have is the stereotype. The argument was whether or not they had stereotypical Asian accents, which I didn’t hear in their accents. He said that the accent in the film sounded more like an actual Japanese accent, and he lived in Japan for 10 years, so I’m inclined to believe his judgement on what it sounds like. Though I still agree with several points from that article, like I said before.

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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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For the record, Nemoidians do sound quite a bit like Titra/Bellucci dubs of Asian movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvWPLsHS8h8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeuL1C3peRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGktFN9AzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeqUkNC89GI

So, while I don’t think Lucas consciously wanted to mock Asians with the Nemoidians, there’s a pretty good chance he was if since he was influenced by Kurosawa’s films (among others), then he was also in intimate contact with the dubbed versions of said films.

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I really need to listen to some of foreign dubs to see how Nute and the rest sound.

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It would be hysterical if it all sounded about the same

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The U.S. Blu Rays have Spanish, French, and Portuguese dubs. No idea if there are others overseas.

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It is so painfully obvious that George lifted all these characterizations from the 1930s-40s era cinema he’s so fond of, which was absolutely loaded with unambiguous racist caricatures, and then applied them in a well-meaning but very poorly considered and tone-deaf way decades later in his own work. I don’t think Lucas had a racist agenda when he made the prequels, I think he was a kind of clueless sixty-something year old guy with no one to tell him how dated and awful this stuff was.

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Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
…We truly are the most pathetic fanbase in the world.

We’re definitely in the MLP, Minecraft, Breaking Bad and FNAF spectrum. Only difference being is that there are a lot more of us than them.

NO NO NO we are not, there are many stupid SW fans but those fanbases are 100% made up of 9 year olds and 30 year old neckbeards. We don’t come near how irritating the Minecraft/FNAF fanbase is or how fucked up the MLP fanbase is

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SilverWook said:

I really need to listen to some of foreign dubs to see how Nute and the rest sound.

I’m really curious now. Unfortunately, I can’t find any French clips online, so I’ll have to wait until I actually watch the movies.

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What’s weird is there’s actually nothing of that in the Flash Gordon serials. There are unfortunate non PC moments here and there, but nothing like the other serials of the time. Most of the really racist caricatures crop up during World War II. The first Batman serial from 1943 is pretty jaw dropping in using the forced relocation of Japanese Americans as a plot point.
Ming starts out looking like a Fu Manchu sort of villain, but he doesn’t speak like one. By the time of the last Flash serial in 1940, Ming is dressed more like a facist dictator.

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Smithers said:

Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
…We truly are the most pathetic fanbase in the world.

We’re definitely in the MLP, Minecraft, Breaking Bad and FNAF spectrum. Only difference being is that there are a lot more of us than them.

NO NO NO we are not, there are many stupid SW fans but those fanbases are 100% made up of 9 year olds and 30 year old neckbeards. We don’t come near how irritating the Minecraft/FNAF fanbase is or how fucked up the MLP fanbase is

I’m assuming “MLP” stands for "My Little Pony", right?

If so, then yeah, SW fans aren’t that bad; I certaintly don’t see a million shoddily altered traces of SW characters cluttering up the pages of deviantART, for example.