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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 29

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I don't like either of the new stormtrooper designs really. Why do these have to be updated, we don't want R2-D2 to look any different, or sleak Star Destroyers. These are iconic designs and can just be reused.

If they kept it the same, we'd all complain about how "OH COME ON are you telling me NOTHING changed in 30 years???"

Maybe, but as I said, R2 units have looked the same since the prequels, so I don't see a problem. 

Obviously in "real life" things are up graded and evolve in a design sense so it would be more realistic, but the trade off is we then don't have the visual element that made the original films so great.

It's just a personal opinion, I want to see old stuff in the new movie so that at least it looks like Star Wars. Nothing can beat the original stormtrooper, they're great. 

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dan76 said:

timdiggerm said:

dan76 said:

I don't like either of the new stormtrooper designs really. Why do these have to be updated, we don't want R2-D2 to look any different, or sleak Star Destroyers. These are iconic designs and can just be reused.

If they kept it the same, we'd all complain about how "OH COME ON are you telling me NOTHING changed in 30 years???"

Maybe, but as I said, R2 units have looked the same since the prequels, so I don't see a problem. 

Obviously in "real life" things are up graded and evolve in a design sense so it would be more realistic, but the trade off is we won't have the visual element that made the original films so great.

It's just a personal opinion, I want to see old stuff in the new movie so that at least it looks like Star Wars. Nothing can beat the original stormtrooper, they're great.

 Militaries change their uniforms fairly frequently. You won't find any US soldiers in Iraq wearing the same stuff as in WW2, Korea or Vietnam, and it's not just because the camo is a different color. Droids, meanwhile, are perhaps more like cars. As such, although it happens from time to time, it's getting rare to see one of these on today's streets - And Artoo may be a similar rarity in the Sequel Trilogy. On the other hand, droids may have somewhat longer operational lifespans, but the analogy is probably close enough.

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I'm not totally convinced of asymmetry in the helmet just yet. I see that the bottom seam in the concept illustration passes through the center of the respirator, and in the real-life photo, the seam either doesn't go through the respirator, or there isn't one on that side.

Just looking at the photo of the actual helmet and the way the plastic is molded, it seems to me that the respirators might be just out of sight on the "underside" of the chin area, with the seam passing above them instead of through them in the concept. Comparing the shape of the chin from concept to photo, there are definitely some shape differences, which would suggest that it was modified after the concept was completed.

I could be totally wrong, of course, but it's something to keep in mind.

dan76 said:

I don't like either of the new stormtrooper designs really. Why do these have to be updated, we don't want R2-D2 to look any different, or sleak Star Destroyers. These are iconic designs and can just be reused. 

Fair enough designing something for a new environment though, maybe that's what they are. Of the two, the second "snowtrooper" looks more like something from McQuarrie, where as the normal stormtrooper looks like and extension from the prequels.

I love the chunky look of the OT, I hope they keep some of that.

Well, we know that the things we love will be mostly the same. The Falcon looks like it should, for one, and Artoo doesn't seem to have changed either. Things they have changed, like the stormtrooper helmet here, as well as the new X-Wing still retain the general "feel" of the original while being updated.

I would have been fine seeing the same old designs from the OT, but it makes sense for military technology to stay on the cutting edge. Just as long as these Stormtrooper helmets don't just materialize out of thin air on their faces like Starlord's helmet, or wrap around the head like Iron Man, I'm cool with it.

I think we're being set up for some "they don't make them like they used to" jokes and "blasted new technology" jokes. I can see Artoo petulantly telling off a new-model astromech, or Han in his "ancient" Falcon and Luke in his "ancient" T-65 flying alongside brand new model X-Wings and other ships. And we all know the Falcon will always be faster than any new thing they come up with.

Here's a comparison shot of the evolution from the RPF.

I definitely feel like the new design is distinct from the PT and a continuation of the OT. Like I said before, the lines are all there.

I really should stop coming in here. So many spoilers.

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Tyrphanax said:

I don't understand why people think that the Empire would just disappear after Jedi. That idea never occurred to me at all. I figured it would be a given that we would see them again, albeit in a very weakened state.

 Sure the battle in Jedi wasn't the final one, but it was the decisive one. In thirty years the Rebels should have finished the job. 

That the Empire still seems to be around does take away from the Rebel victory in RotJ. Feels like a retcon to me to continue the story. 

I don't mind Star Wars having ongoing stories. I just think going this direction is the wrong way. Its a big galaxy. I was hoping for different antagonists. 

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Well, Vader and the Emperor are dead, so we're definitely going to be seeing different big bads. Maybe at the head of a reborn and resurgent Empire?

Maybe the Empire has been relegated to a few small systems as part of peace treaties, and now the Republic needs new allies in the Imperial Remnant to take on the new bad guys?

Maybe the new Empire plays a very small role.

Lots of different options and we just don't know enough yet.

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Tyrphanax said:

I'm not totally convinced of asymmetry in the helmet just yet. I see that the bottom seam in the concept illustration passes through the center of the respirator, and in the real-life photo, the seam either doesn't go through the respirator, or there isn't one on that side.

Just looking at the photo of the actual helmet and the way the plastic is molded, it seems to me that the respirators might be just out of sight on the "underside" of the chin area, with the seam passing above them instead of through them in the concept. Comparing the shape of the chin from concept to photo, there are definitely some shape differences, which would suggest that it was modified after the concept was completed.

I could be totally wrong, of course, but it's something to keep in mind.

 The RPF had said that theres only one respirator on one side of the helmet & it's not symetrical

More leaked images??

Han this time

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The first picture looks like Han in Hoth gear. And the second one kind of resembles Han's Endor outfit, except the coat isn't camo.  What's the source of the images?

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unamochilla2 said:

The first picture looks like Han in Hoth gear. And the second one kind of resembles Han's Endor outfit, except the coat isn't camo.  What's the source of the images?

 IndieRevolver.com (hence the watermark)

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The Han pics remind me of old Kenner figure concept art. Nice that Han held onto his Hoth outfit all these years. ;)

Where were you in '77?

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I like the tench look. It's kinda Deckard, kinda Endor, kinda cowboy. Feels very Han to me.

We're totally going to Hoth.

Jaitea said:

Tyrphanax said:

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 The RPF had said that theres only one respirator on one side of the helmet & it's not symetrical

Aw, that's too bad. Oh well.

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Starting to wonder if a chunk of the movie is the quest to find Luke, which leads into revisiting some old familiar places.

Or maybe the tables have turned, and the Empire is the one with hidden bases?

Where were you in '77?

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Verboten said:

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It also makes it seem like Luke and the Rebels didn't actually accomplish anything. Who cares that they defeated the Sith if there is still an evil dictatorship running things?

As far as I'm concerned, the death of Palpatine spelled the beginning of the end of the Empire. Without central leadership, the Empire devolved into chaos and broke apart as every warlord with a thirst for power began fighting his brother for possession of Palpatine's throne, allowing the Rebels to move on in and gain enough ground to establish a New Republic.

I don't need everything wrapped up in a neat little package right away to feel as if something significant was accomplished.

So, what are you saying exactly? Your earlier post made it sound like you were cool with the Empire still existing 30 years after RotJ. When I said it would seem Luke had accomplished nothing I was referring to the idea of the Empire still being around 30 years later. I'm fine with the idea that it may have taken the Rebels a few years to completely dismantle the Empire, but Vader and the Emperor were obviously their biggest obstacles.

Basically, I'm trying to say it would be incredibly lame to me if these movies are going to be Rebel Alliance vs. Galactic Empire with no sense of accomplishment or progress since Jedi.

What I was trying to say is essentially that I don't mind if the Empire is still around as long as it's smaller, weaker, and less of a superpower than it was in the OT. If the ST Empire turns out to be essentially the same as the OT Empire, though, then I'll be having some problems with that. 

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What I don't get is why people complain about the Empire returning but don't complain about the Sith returning. The Empire is at least as important to Star Wars as the Sith are.

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darklordoftech said:

What I don't get is why people complain about the Empire returning but don't complain about the Sith returning. The Empire is at least as important to Star Wars as the Sith are.

More important. I'm well happy the Empire is returning. The Sith can sod of back to the prequels.

I dont believe those pics of Solo...

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Jaitea said:

 

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What I don't get is why some people continue to post about what they want and don't want in these movies (NO SITH!) when there are other threads for that.  I come here for spoilers and reaction to spoilers, not whiny wishlists.

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Updated illustration with one respirator

Kind of strange

Well at least Kevin Smith actually SAW physical Trooper costume parts.....so the main thing is these Troopers will be real guys,....not CG

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Jaitea said:

 

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Great catch. I dig.

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So I guess this is how the new Imperial helmet looks when actually created (non-concept art and non-CGI)...

...I am most definitely loving the new look of the Imperial helmet. It appears more "modern" and sleeker and yet it still pays homage to the "classic" style.

To be honest, though, I do still feel underwhelmed by the possible "snowtrooper" design. Hopefully that concept has already gone through a re-revision, for a face mask that coincides better with the "standard" helmet.

The concept arts of Han look good to me. Good eye and memory, Ryan, in noticing the similarities to Katarn's attire. Clearly they're branching out and borrowing ideas from other SW sources, which isn't a bad thing.

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More weird plot rumors involving the Inquisitors and a flashback.

 That was an interesting read.

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Just had a thought about the non-symmetrical Trooper helmet,....imagine if Lucas was making this movie.....and all his flipped shots

How much would that piss everyone off?

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Love the trench look on han. very firefly indeed.

Idk if this was discussed elsewhere, but my dad was asking me....and i thought you guys might know. when george handed the keys to the star wars car over to disney and jj abrams, did he give them his original story to follow, or did he just tell them to do whatever? does he have any creative input at this point? i should know more, but have been too busy to really follow this.

Thanks for any info.:)

Padme