Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 211

TK428 said:

MJR80 said:

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

I’ve heard the now canon comic-book piece about Solo’s other lady. It’s an interesting angle but I don’t think they would do that. It would shrink the universe further than it already has been. I think Finn is a Han Solo type character but in no way related. There was always kind of a rumor (maybe it’s canon, I dunno…I don’t know what is and is not) that Han Solo had been a Stormtrooper at some point and defected himself.

Spoiler [for a rather crappy arc in the comic]: She was just part of a scam he was pulling.

Harmy said:

Did anyone else notice that 3P0 seems to have put on some weight? New plating I guess 😄

I think Anthony Daniels said part of his terms of coming back was getting a costume with adjustments so that it actually fits comfortably. Perhaps the arm is just as much a distraction from that as it is a toy selling thing.

A few more thoughts: I’ve noticed how this film mirrors the original - almost too much, in fact. I don’t know if this was what George’s idea was when he presented his rhyme and stanzas theory. Even the prequels were just a bit more subtle than that!

Waayyy too much. I felt it was weak story telling. A very beautiful look to the film though. It nailed the atmosphere.

Oscar Isaac should have just told BB-8 to save himself so it takes off into the desert. Rey should have been having dreams about Jedi’s early in the film and know about them too. There should have been statues of Luke in places. The legend of Luke Skywalker defeating the Empire is told by everyone. Han likes to remind people he was pretty important too. The Empire should have been crushed and people have not heard from them in years (Like the Cylons) and the First Order is bringing back order to the Galaxy. Kylo Ren is at the helm. The Emperor visits him as a ghost in his dreams. The film should have turned into a detective story with Oscar Isaac, Finn, Rey, Han and Chewie all trying find Luke. R2 should have been with Luke. NOOOO Death Star type function. It all ends at a Jedi temple and Luke isn’t there. Kyle fights Finn and Rey and stabs Han. Luke shows up to save the day but doesn’t kill Kylo because one, he’s his nephew and two, Hans asks Luke to save his son and bring him back from the dark side. End movie.

I think it will be more interesting if Rey is a Kenobi. It would be a nice role reversal where a Skywalker has to train a Kenobi.

SilverWook said:

It’s going to take a lot to make Kylo Ren deserving of redemption in my eyes after what he’s done.

I doubt it will ever happen, but Chewie ought to be the one to kill him.

I hope they are going to redeem Kylo Ren. It would be a waste of good drama otherwise. Snoke seems like a generic baddie with little to build on - certainly much less interesting than Kylo Ren, whom they already spent time developing.

Speaking of whom, I am curious as to what they’re going to do with Chewie now since he’s in for the ride - for the time being, at least.

ZkinandBonez said:

pablumatic said:

hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense… but according to the new maps of the galaxy there is some considerable distance between the two systems.

I assume it will never be explained, but I will go ahead and say the hyperspeed laser light reaches other systems much faster than regular light. So its possible to see it as it happens.

Maybe it should have been pinpoints of light rather than a fireworks show, but that’s Star Wars for you.

Well, SW isn’t exactly knows for being scientifically accurate. Heck, one of the things that convinced Irvin Kershner to direct ESB was that he wouldn’t have to pay attention to any scientific accuracy at all.
This is after all a universe held together by magic, and where space-ships make pretty loud noises in the vacuum of space. All time doesn’t seem to be in any way affected by gravity, or light-speed, so it’s essentially just Middle-Earth in space.
I do however think that they should have made the beam and explosion a tad smaller. More of an illustration, rather than being so blatant. Apparently it’s a lot smaller in the novelization.

I guess my issue with it is the planet looks bigger than Mars would to us while they are watching it get destroyed and it is supposed to be happening on the other side of the galaxy. If it was established that they were neighboring systems it wouldn’t bother me if it looked too big, it just seems like too much of a stretch how they portray it given what we know about the locations of these systems in the galaxy.

ZkinandBonez said:

hydrospanner said:

ZkinandBonez said:

pablumatic said:

hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense… but according to the new maps of the galaxy there is some considerable distance between the two systems.

I assume it will never be explained, but I will go ahead and say the hyperspeed laser light reaches other systems much faster than regular light. So its possible to see it as it happens.

Maybe it should have been pinpoints of light rather than a fireworks show, but that’s Star Wars for you.

Well, SW isn’t exactly knows for being scientifically accurate. Heck, one of the things that convinced Irvin Kershner to direct ESB was that he wouldn’t have to pay attention to any scientific accuracy at all.
This is after all a universe held together by magic, and where space-ships make pretty loud noises in the vacuum of space. All time doesn’t seem to be in any way affected by gravity, or light-speed, so it’s essentially just Middle-Earth in space.
I do however think that they should have made the beam and explosion a tad smaller. More of an illustration, rather than being so blatant. Apparently it’s a lot smaller in the novelization.

I guess my issue with it is the planet looks bigger than Mars would to us while they are watching it get destroyed and it is supposed to be happening on the other side of the galaxy. If it was established that they were neighboring systems it wouldn’t bother me if it looked too big, it just seems like too much of a stretch how they portray it given what we know about the locations of these systems in the galaxy.

Oh, I agree that it looks kind of weird, and that it definitively could have been done in a somewhat subtler way. I’m just not considering it a “flaw” in the general sense, and I’m not going to linger on it. The again, I’m sure we’ll get some fan edit that’ll shrink it down a bit at some point. Either way though, I don’t really care.

All they would need to do is show the systems to be close like Hoth and Bespin on the new map and that would satisfy me. I suppose that will be my head cannon for now.

I reckon luke is gonna going to train rey get killed by ren or even snork. Even though rey picked up the force pretty quick without training Wtf!

Obviously Lando Calrissian is the man who should replace Han as Captain of the Millennium Falcon in the next films, I can’t see no one else filling those shoes other then Lando.

Anyone think we will see that Scottish guy from that scene again? I noticed he survived and was the one to inform the First Order that he found the droid they were looking for.

What if Rey is Obi Wan’s granddaughter?

Edit: I see that has already been propositioned.

Possibly an as-of-yet unknown character. Obi Wan clearly had a more-than-Jedi attachment to Satine in the Clone Wars. He was in self imposed exile on Tatooine for two decades. The Jedi order is gone and he was witness to the failings of several tenants of the order. Maybe he shacked up. Maybe he wasn’t even aware of the pregnancy and subsequent birth of his child.

Maybe she is the offspring of Luke and a presently unknown female Kenobi? Those would be some good Jedi genes.