logo Sign In

Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes — Page 24

Author
Time
Post link

A few more examples of the different spacing. The wipe to the credits doesn't seem to have been redone, I think the new credits kick in when the transition from the starfield background to John Barry appears. (The puggo Grande screen-caps have not correct aspect ratio and are cropped at the bottom.)

1977

1981

1977

1981

1977

1981

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time
Post link

^ nice and this leads to an interesting development about all the theater performance recordings.  Turns out the MeBeJedi/Starkiller is not from 77 but most likely 81.  So mthr's is the true only 77 recording!

 

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

Wow, this is interesting. They redid the crawl AND the credits in 1981. How can we be the first people to realize this!

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

To be fair, I'm not sure there's ever been a community so focused on the differences as to bother with the credits. Not that the credits aren't a part of the film, but they are the part people find the least interesting/important. So I'm not surprised no one's documented this before...

but I'm glad it's happened.

ROTJ Storyboard Reconstruction Project

Author
Time
Post link

none said:

^ nice and this leads to an interesting development about all the theater performance recordings.  Turns out the MeBeJedi/Starkiller is not from 77 but most likely 81.  So mthr's is the true only 77 recording!

And Puggo Grande.

I can understand the GOUT having the 1977 crawl with the 1981 credits, but why would the MBJ/Starkiller version be the same?

Guidelines for post content and general behaviour: read announcement here

Max. allowable image sizes in signatures: reminder here

Author
Time
Post link

I don't understand why'd they even do that though. The date in the credits is the same and that's about the only thing they could have changed right? Why would they go spending money on making new credits and printing and splicing them for all the prints if it gives the exact same information. That's insane!!!

Author
Time
Post link

70mm vs 35mm difference? Replacing the beginning on all of the 35mm prints, sure, but replacing the beginning and the end? It is insane.

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

Moth3r wrote:  I can understand the GOUT having the 1977 crawl with the 1981 credits, but why would the MBJ/Starkiller version be the same?

Yeah I jumped to a faulty conclusion.  The variables are pre-post Episode Crawl, and spaced-unspaced Credits, but they don't necessarily always stay together.  Could this be linked to maybe the 35/70mm or foreign/domestic versions?  Wasn't there the initial opening day versions and maybe when they ran off more prints as popularity grew they tossed on a new set of credits?  *EDIT* but that doesn't explain why the 16mm version would have the older credit version...

*EDIT* There was the Directors Guild of America credit dispute during ESB, could there have been another one earlier which LFL gave into, and this is the result?

Author
Time
Post link

none said:

There was the Directors Guild of America credit dispute during ESB, could there have been another one earlier which LFL gave into, and this is the result?

I was wondering the same thing, though I don't really know much about the DGA's rules. Seems possible though. There has to be an explanation to justify the time and money spent, right?

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

Author
Time
Post link

ray_afraid wrote: There has to be an explanation to justify the time and money spent, right?

Well going by the evolution maybe John Williams is the complainer. (kiddin' of course but...)  In the first version he's given a scrolling credit with the London Symphony right up close.  The "second" version has Williams with some breathing space between him and the symphony, then going to ESB he gets his own stationary credit, then a few seconds later the symphony shows up.  The record was a huge seller why not reward that in the credits revisions.

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

Puggo's Stjärnornas Krig:

So that's two 16mm and two boots with alternating credit versions.

Need to ask Puggo if he's got an idea of release dates of these 16mm as that's a clue for when the change might have occurred.  What maybe a year between the US and the Swedish translated 16mm releases?

*edit*

SilverWook checked his Derann Super8 recording and it's got the 'Spaced' version.  Here are those pics:

 

*EDIT*

New Thread for this issue:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Pre-Re-release-Credit-Change/topic/12960/

 

Author
Time
Post link

Ah, so it wasn't revised for the '81 re-release then... have you compared the credits more close, none? I don't know, maybe there were typos or other people involved in the production missing that were added to the credits on later prints when the film became the huge hit, some typos have never been fixed to this day though so I don't know about that.

Those examples are also just a few of the differences, there is different spacing throughout the credits, from the moment John Barry appears to the end. I can check it, if someone else haven't already.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time
Post link

Guys, you won't believe this shit!!!

Someone pointed out this error in my Despecialized Edition:

 

So I went and checked if it's also in the source file I used (a 720p encode of the German HDTV broadcast capture) and it was. So I went on and checked Adywan's AVCHD and it was there too. But both Adywan and I were using the German HDTV broadcasts for our edits, so I assumed the error must have been in the German broadcast capture but just to be sure, I went, dug up a DVD9 on which I had a UK HDTV broadcast capture burned and checked it there and it was there too. Suspicious, huh?

So I went to the OFFICIAL 2004 DVD and checked there and couldn't believe my eyes!!!

Here's the frame from the !!!OFFICIAL!!! retail 2004 DVD:

It's not an intentional change but it sure is a visual difference and it just shows the level of quality control that was performed on the DVDs!!! I bet it will be in the blu-ray as well.

Author
Time
Post link

Wow. So for all intents and purposes, this frame is destroyed in Lucas' ultimate version. If the Blu-ray has this, we will KNOW it is the 2004 version.

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time
Post link

Harmy wrote: Guys, you won't believe this shit!!!

Wallpaper!  (1920x1088)

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

Since the Credit thing seems to be an opening day variation, starting to look at the variations relevant to this thread:

1977 Dolby Stereo : (mthr)   2006 / 1977 Mono Mix : (DVD)   SE-Flunk: (TV Broadcast)

   

 

*EDIT*

This list is just going from the 2006 DVD version to the Flunk SE version.  (but definitely note that there were most likely two credits available opening day)

SWSE Credits Rev 01: add 'Executive Producer GEORGE LUCAS'
SWSE Credits Rev 02: add commas and 'JAMES EARL JONES as the voice of Darth Vader'
SWSE Credits Rev 03: move CAST above PANAVISION, TECHNICOLOR, DELUXE & DOLBY SYSTEM Logo
SWSE Credits Rev 04: add 'Voice of Darth Vader JAMES EARL JONES'
SWSE Credits Rev 05: add 'SPECIAL EDITION' names and organizations
SWSE Credits Rev 06: shrink 'DOLBY SYSTEMS' Logo
SWSE Credits Rev 07: add A LUCASFILM LTD. PRODUCTION
SWSE Credits Rev 08: move 'Ownership...' clause
SWSE Credits Rev 09: add 'Special Edition Soundtrack available on RCAVICTOR
SWSE Credits Rev 10: add 'Novelization available from Ballantine Books'
SWSE Credits Rev 11: add 'copyright symbol 1997 LUCASFILM LTD.'
SWSE Credits Rev 12: remove 'Approved' from MPAA Logo which is now Registered.  Film No. 24925 remains the same
SWSE Credits Rev 13: add 'Mixed & Recorded in a THX Sound System Theatre
SWSE Credits Rev 14: add 'Sony Dynamic Digital Sound' Logo
SWSE Credits Rev 15: add 'Dolby Digital' Logo
SWSE Credits Rev 16: add 'DTS Stereo' Logo
SWSE Credits Rev 17: add 'Please call 1-800-PHONE-THX' message & Quality assurance information

*EDIT*
Missed one: rev 'Special Dialogue & Sound Effects' to 'Special Dialogue and Sound Effects'

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

Harmy said:

 

...

Here's the frame from the !!!OFFICIAL!!! retail 2004 DVD:

It's not an intentional change...

Of course it is. That's clearly another Lucasfilm Deliberate Creative Decision™.

Guidelines for post content and general behaviour: read announcement here

Max. allowable image sizes in signatures: reminder here

Author
Time
 (Edited)
Post link

none said:

Harmy wrote: Guys, you won't believe this shit!!!

Wallpaper!  (1920x1088)

Incredible... released this way on DVD three times, right? They should be proud of themselves. :)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time
Post link

It took us 7 years to find it. I guess quality control doesn't do a frame-by-frame check.

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time
Post link

You can see the size of the magnifying glass which is being used to scrutinize my project ;-)

Author
Time
Post link

Found another zoomed in shot in the Yavin battle. It's at 1:49:33 NTSC GOUT time. It's the same shot as the other one only this one's a bit longer.

Author
Time
Post link

Original wipe:

SE wipe:

Original wipe:

SE wipe:

In this shot they also digitally tweaked the skiff and its shadow which Luke and company are standing on, it now has a hovering effect, it was static in the original:

 

It seems to me that the lightsaber was recomposited in various shots:

The digital compositing for Ben's scenes was done for the 2004 DVD, not the '97 SE:

I would suggest that you remove these two, as nothing have actually been done:

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time
Post link

Yeah, those wipes must have been redone, as the shots were digitally recomposited.

Author
Time
Post link

Harmy said:

 

It's not an intentional change but it sure is a visual difference and it just shows the level of quality control that was performed on the DVDs!!! I bet it will be in the blu-ray as well.

 

What am I looking for?