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MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

A few typos and a repeated item on the ballot, but can't bother to take it back now.  Oh well.  Hope it's a useful way of doing the vote.

So I've decided now is the time to release the url to the new forum.  It's simple, but I think it should meet the needs of the editing crew.

http://collab.forumcircle.com/portal.php

Still waiting on GoodMusician and Jaitea to register, and there's not much activity yet, but that's to be expected given busy schedules and not much to report yet.  Hopefully the editors can make some tentative timetables so we know generally when to expect updates and to keep each other motivated.

I'm thinking of adding a single forum where guests can comment.  However, I'm not sure how wise that is, because I hope people will keep most comments here.  Let me know what you guys think.  No one will be able to register without a passcode, but if desired, folks can at least say, "Good job."

And a final note: we REALLY could use someone willing to do a rough edit of the whole film for the editors to use as a framework.  As the edit progresses, altered and fixed scenes can replace the old versions (i.e. emanswfan's improved deleted sandstorm scene could replace the BD version).  This way we can also see how simple editing choices work, such as the altered Endor battle, the droids falling directly onto the skiff (assuming that passes the vote), the placing of Dagobah and Vader reaching out to Luke in the beginning, etc.  It wouldn't have to be perfect, particularly sound-wise.  I think it would simply be a means of visualizing many of the changes and pacing.

WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE THE ROUGH EDIT AUTOMATICALLY GETS ACCESS TO THE NEW FORUM, for what it's worth to you.  You'd get more input on the process and get earlier updates.  Please, we really could use an editor to spare the special effects team the work of doing extraneous stuff and allowing them to focus on the actual effects.

I will do it!

That's so wizard!

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This thread has been a great place for ideas.  Now that the second vote is underway and the new forum is up, I think we're going to begin relying on the other forum more.  I really hope things pick up there soon, and that this forum can largely serve for updates.  I will probably quickly hold the third vote once this one is done, and will put up the items that get a revote, plus any new ideas.  I really need to step back and not be so involved (I know, you've all heard that before).  So I really want to get to the point where the editors know exactly what to do to please the majority and we leave the rest in their very capable hands.

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BTW, I included the Ric Olie cameo as only a semi-serious item, and suggested Frink voice him as a complete joke I made up at the last minute.  I'm surprised how well Olie is doing and Frink's voicing him is doing!

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In all seriousness, I'd love to have an older Ric appear in the battle.

But in all seriousness, it's not likely.

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darth_ender said:

BTW, I included the Ric Olie cameo as only a semi-serious item, and suggested Frink voice him as a complete joke I made up at the last minute.  I'm surprised how well Olie is doing and Frink's voicing him is doing!

Looks like your idea.....

CAUGHT ON PRETTY QUICK. 

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DominicCobb said:

MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

A few typos and a repeated item on the ballot, but can't bother to take it back now.  Oh well.  Hope it's a useful way of doing the vote.

So I've decided now is the time to release the url to the new forum.  It's simple, but I think it should meet the needs of the editing crew.

http://collab.forumcircle.com/portal.php

Still waiting on GoodMusician and Jaitea to register, and there's not much activity yet, but that's to be expected given busy schedules and not much to report yet.  Hopefully the editors can make some tentative timetables so we know generally when to expect updates and to keep each other motivated.

I'm thinking of adding a single forum where guests can comment.  However, I'm not sure how wise that is, because I hope people will keep most comments here.  Let me know what you guys think.  No one will be able to register without a passcode, but if desired, folks can at least say, "Good job."

And a final note: we REALLY could use someone willing to do a rough edit of the whole film for the editors to use as a framework.  As the edit progresses, altered and fixed scenes can replace the old versions (i.e. emanswfan's improved deleted sandstorm scene could replace the BD version).  This way we can also see how simple editing choices work, such as the altered Endor battle, the droids falling directly onto the skiff (assuming that passes the vote), the placing of Dagobah and Vader reaching out to Luke in the beginning, etc.  It wouldn't have to be perfect, particularly sound-wise.  I think it would simply be a means of visualizing many of the changes and pacing.

WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE THE ROUGH EDIT AUTOMATICALLY GETS ACCESS TO THE NEW FORUM, for what it's worth to you.  You'd get more input on the process and get earlier updates.  Please, we really could use an editor to spare the special effects team the work of doing extraneous stuff and allowing them to focus on the actual effects.

I will do it!

That's so wizard!

*in Shmi Skywalker voice* I ahve geeven halp to dose who ahve nun!

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That's beginning to look like dutch ;-)

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So we've had several votes come in already.  If you haven't voted, I think I'd like it by Sunday morning so I can tally everything on a day off from school and work.

Still not much happening at the other forum.  I hope it was a good idea (it wasn't mine).  It feels like a lot of the energy was sapped from this thread, which is of course to be expected when ideas are being solidified and everyone has a real life.  I just hope it doesn't die.  I'd really like to see this thing through.

So I may have secured a digital copy of the Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game movie.  The plot, it turns out, revolves around the DSII prior to Endor, and the DSII had a functioning superlaser and was going to destroy some Rebel planet.  It gets sabotaged and leaves it in the state we see it in ROTJ.  This is why I don't give a crap about most EU anymore, because even silly storylines that clearly conflict with the OT are made into some level of canon.  But what I like about it is the fact that David Prowse was filmed aboard a Death Star set and James Earl Jones recorded new lines for it.  I have no idea what one sees or what is said, but maybe even a little something could be useful.  I'm sure the video quality isn't great, being taken from a VHS, but who knows?  The audio could be a treasure trove, however, as the movie is an hour long.

This made me wonder if there is other potentially useful audio just waiting to be exploited.  The first thought that came to me was from the Holiday Special where Vader and Bast are chatting.  "I want the Rebels located and identified [a pause long enough for a natural cut] if it means searching every household in the system."  Possibly useful, though I wouldn't know where to put it.  But I wonder if there are other Jones as Vader recordings that could be useful, or even recordings of other actors.  If the lines are short, we may find something close to what we were planning, such as Mark Hamill saying he needed to do some "thinking."  If you guys can think of any potential sources, let us know."

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darth_ender said:

So we've had several votes come in already.  If you haven't voted, I think I'd like it by Sunday morning so I can tally everything on a day off from school and work.

Still not much happening at the other forum.  I hope it was a good idea (it wasn't mine).  It feels like a lot of the energy was sapped from this thread, which is of course to be expected when ideas are being solidified and everyone has a real life.  I just hope it doesn't die.  I'd really like to see this thing through.

So I may have secured a digital copy of the Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game movie.  The plot, it turns out, revolves around the DSII prior to Endor, and the DSII had a functioning superlaser and was going to destroy some Rebel planet.  It gets sabotaged and leaves it in the state we see it in ROTJ.  This is why I don't give a crap about most EU anymore, because even silly storylines that clearly conflict with the OT are made into some level of canon.  But what I like about it is the fact that David Prowse was filmed aboard a Death Star set and James Earl Jones recorded new lines for it.  I have no idea what one sees or what is said, but maybe even a little something could be useful.  I'm sure the video quality isn't great, being taken from a VHS, but who knows?  The audio could be a treasure trove, however, as the movie is an hour long.

This made me wonder if there is other potentially useful audio just waiting to be exploited.  The first thought that came to me was from the Holiday Special where Vader and Bast are chatting.  "I want the Rebels located and identified [a pause long enough for a natural cut] if it means searching every household in the system."  Possibly useful, though I wouldn't know where to put it.  But I wonder if there are other Jones as Vader recordings that could be useful, or even recordings of other actors.  If the lines are short, we may find something close to what we were planning, such as Mark Hamill saying he needed to do some "thinking."  If you guys can think of any potential sources, let us know."

The guy from the video game The Force Unleashed does an almost spot on Vader impression. 

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That's cool.  I don't have the game, but if any fans want to find any useful lines, that would be appreciated.  I guess Jones also played Vader in a computer Monopoly game and in The Benchwarmers.  I wonder if there's anything useful there (I have no desire to see the movie, except for maybe Vader's lines)?

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MrInsaneA said:

The guy from the video game The Force Unleashed does an almost spot on Vader impression. 

Lol Chad Vader?


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This video game have a lot of good ideas, It is how I imagine the prequels. Like George didn't do it. I don't know why there is a difference in the visuals of the two trilogies. Hmpf, at leas he is retireing. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTow8NK-_pU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqIH0nCPHy0&feature=related

I like the different SD with the forward hangar. :D Maybe the audio can salvaged wit somehow.

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite thread in this forum.

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Yeah, I just listened to Vader on YouTube for The Force Unleashed, and while he does a good job, he still sounds too obviously off base to me.  Hopefully this guy who I got in touch with sends me a torrent soon.  I can't wait to watch the game movie.  There's gotta be something good in there!

How usable can VHS be?  I'm impressed with the quality of the recent Ewok preservations from Pittrek.  If we get a good transfer, can it be cropped and enhanced to get the right aspect ratio and achieve a usable quality for the rest of our movie?

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Didn't the Ewok movies come out on DVD? But I believe this was discussed before and the quality of any available transfer isn't really good enough to upscale and crop. What I think it could be used for would be using it for some background Ewoks, making them really small in the frame (thus avoiding having to upscale the source.)

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Oops, my question was a little confusing.  I'm referring to the Ewoks cartoon which was transferred from VHS by Pittrek.  I guess it goes without saying that since it's a cartoon, the discrepancy in quality wouldn't be as noticeable anyway.

The VHS I myself was wondering might be usable is from the Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game: Assault on the Death Star, which by the way is a ridiculously long name.  I contacted someone via boardgamegeek.com who said he'd send me a torrent and seed it for me.  But the original source is a VHS.  Even if this version isn't that high quality, it would be nice to see if there is anything on there worth grabbing for our edit, either video or audio.  From what I read, they filmed new Prouse footage and recorded new Jones lines.

The audio would be nice, but if there's even just a couple seconds of Vader walking down a Death Star hall (as it appears to have in the picture), I know it would help solve a problem I've considered with my script.  Of course that depends on if Vader walking down the hall can be upscaled and cropped, which it sounds like is not doable.

EDIT: I guess in order to preserve what quality remains in captured VHS footage, a shot as simple as a corridor could probably be widened with CGI.  So the question would just be upscaling.

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darth_ender said:

So we've had several votes come in already.  If you haven't voted, I think I'd like it by Sunday morning so I can tally everything on a day off from school and work.

Still not much happening at the other forum.  I hope it was a good idea (it wasn't mine).  It feels like a lot of the energy was sapped from this thread, which is of course to be expected when ideas are being solidified and everyone has a real life.  I just hope it doesn't die.  I'd really like to see this thing through.

So I may have secured a digital copy of the Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game movie.  The plot, it turns out, revolves around the DSII prior to Endor, and the DSII had a functioning superlaser and was going to destroy some Rebel planet.  It gets sabotaged and leaves it in the state we see it in ROTJ.  This is why I don't give a crap about most EU anymore, because even silly storylines that clearly conflict with the OT are made into some level of canon.  But what I like about it is the fact that David Prowse was filmed aboard a Death Star set and James Earl Jones recorded new lines for it.  I have no idea what one sees or what is said, but maybe even a little something could be useful.  I'm sure the video quality isn't great, being taken from a VHS, but who knows?  The audio could be a treasure trove, however, as the movie is an hour long.

This made me wonder if there is other potentially useful audio just waiting to be exploited.  The first thought that came to me was from the Holiday Special where Vader and Bast are chatting.  "I want the Rebels located and identified [a pause long enough for a natural cut] if it means searching every household in the system."  Possibly useful, though I wouldn't know where to put it.  But I wonder if there are other Jones as Vader recordings that could be useful, or even recordings of other actors.  If the lines are short, we may find something close to what we were planning, such as Mark Hamill saying he needed to do some "thinking."  If you guys can think of any potential sources, let us know."

Probably can only use the audio but might be some good lines in there?

There is not much left to Ponder at the momment, alot has been fleshed out on here already... Although there will be another wave soon I guess.

I am on a steep learning curve trying to learn basic after effects stuff at the momment but I got it working and gradually picking up tricks and trying stuff out.

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Ron, you've gotta post on here more often.  I miss you keeping things going.  And yeah, even just some good audio would be appreciated.

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I have been thinking about the shield generator scene and the pruposed hot-wire opens the door and although I really like it alot it is a really tough nut to crack as to getting it to work convincingly so I think it could be worth bearing in mind that it should perhaps go back to it's original structure some what and have the bunker deleted scene as they first go in and keep it more Hans trick to capture the Bunker is what eventually got them access not brute force to destroy it.... That way it will flow better and we get the "You Rebel Scum" back too.....

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What exactly doesn't work?  I'm open to critiques, but I'm not sure what the problem is exactly.  I personally think it can be done, and the only real difficult change would be the CGI door opening I think.

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I think it is the point at which it is Lasers going off and smoke.....

I tried to use prision cell from ANH in my rough cut to fix this point to show the troopers firing and chewie firing back and then cut away..... I am only saying that it might work better to just have the trick still be the thing that actually gets them in and the ground battle is wrapped up before the shield bunker blows up as we still have the battle going on after this point at present which is perhaps more realistic.... But does it really work?

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Well, here's my thought, and hopefully it's easier than what you're trying to do:

As the troopers first run in, we simply see a couple shots in their direction and one maybe hits the wall next to them, sending up a big cloud of smoke, then we cut to the next scene.  Seems pretty straightforward to me, no need to make it too complicated.

As for the battling afterwards, the idea is that the troops are now scattered and fleeing, and in their disorganized state the Ewoks take them out.  Perhaps if we saw troopers in armor running away more (maybe we can find footage, but more likely we'd have to film it), it might get the idea across better, but that's why the battle continues.  Perhaps it doesn't work, but it seems like a good idea to me.  But hey, I'd rather have a good movie than be right, so if I'm the only one, please let me know, guys.  I'd been hoping to get more feedback on the idea.

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darth_ender said:

Well, here's my thought, and hopefully it's easier than what you're trying to do:

As the troopers first run in, we simply see a couple shots in their direction and one maybe hits the wall next to them, sending up a big cloud of smoke, then we cut to the next scene.  Seems pretty straightforward to me, no need to make it too complicated.

As for the battling afterwards, the idea is that the troops are now scattered and fleeing, and in their disorganized state the Ewoks take them out.  Perhaps if we sawtroopers in armor running away more (perhaps we can find footage, but more likely we'd have to film it), it might get the idea across better, but that's why the battle continues.  Perhaps it doesn't work, but it seems like a good idea to me.  But hey, I'd rather have a good movie than be right, so if I'm the only one, please let me know, guys.  I'd been hoping to get more feedback on the idea.

Perhaps I'm over analysing it.....