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Originally posted by: Cawdor
Way to ban one of the best members here. Maybe you could ban Jambe Davdar too. See if you can't speed up this forums nosedive into irrelevance.
You mods are stupid petty dicks. You may as well ban me too because OCPMovie is one of the only reasons I ever come here.
Fuck you all
Way to ban one of the best members here. Maybe you could ban Jambe Davdar too. See if you can't speed up this forums nosedive into irrelevance.
You mods are stupid petty dicks. You may as well ban me too because OCPMovie is one of the only reasons I ever come here.
Fuck you all
This guy is my hero.
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I've also had an interest in The Thief and the Cobbler ever since I read about it in Comic Scene magazine when Roger Rabbit came out. I was very disappointed when it finally came out in its bastardized version (yes, I was aware of the story at the time). I followed with great interest OCP's project. It is quite an incredible piece of work. I am of the opinion that Garrett is one of the most valuable members of a community full of worthy, creative members. I am quite proud to be part of this community and am about to embark on my own fan edit for the first time after a year of reading about others.
As much as I respect and enjoy OCP's work, I have to admit that I was quite shocked and disappointed when he was first suspended. I followed minute-by-minute, post after post, in almost real time, when it was announced that Star Wars GOUT was finally being released. OCP's posts started out as giddy and happy and soon degenerated into ravings about how he had wasted all this time and effort on the Classic Editions. This was, of course, before we knew they would be just glorified laserdisc transfers. He then started attacking the only currently active preservation effort, the X0 project. He didn't just criticize it, he became quite the asshole spamming in multiple threads. There's a line between genuine criticism and what he was doing. He quite deserved his suspension. Once he calmed down, he became the OCP we all knew from before. He just never quite got that it wasn't that he was criticizing the Site owner and Mods' pet project, it was the very rude way he was doing it. Most of those posts are probably gone, but he was quite off the deep end, and then when his posts were edited of their more over-the-top comments, he was editing them back in (a no-no in any forum).
The newest banning was not really unexpected. When it came out that the newest Star Wars CE V2 was delayed so he could make a little money off of it first to help move, I knew something was going to happen. Then it came out about his selling of not only his own work, but others. I knew this to be true, because I have an email with the same list from over a year ago. He got a free pass because he was such a valued contributor, but it is one of the overriding rules here. The best way to fly under the radar with the fan edits is to not openly profit from them. I've read in his multiple threads in multiple forums about his unfortunate circumstances. I want to really feel bad for the guy, except I have to wonder about his priorities. He can barely keep a roof over his head and was days from being thrown out on the street, but can somehow audition 300+ people for a fan film about She-Hulk. I suppose life isn't always about food and shelter, but there are more important things than hobbies, especially expensive ones.
I'm not really sure where I was going with this rambling post. I just want to acknowledge the valuable contribution that OCP has made to this forum, and indirectly, he is the reason I found this forum in the first place. I also understand why he is gone. Contrary to his belief, it isn't because he criticized the X0 project, but his first suspension was because he was being an asshole about it. The banning is because he broke the most important rule. No one has said he can't still sell his work and others'. He just can't do it and post here. It's a shame, because so much of his work refers back to here. I earlier posted a picture of Pete Rose because this reminds me of him. I am a big Reds fan and have close ties to Cincinnati. Pete is the most deserving baseball player in history to be in the Hall of Fame. He worked his ass off to be the not the best player ever, but the hardest working player ever (the guy ended another player's career by accident trying to win an AllStar Game!). It breaks my heart that he did what he did and I want to pick him up and shake him for letting his fans, his city, and his team down. But he broke a rule that exists for a very good reason.
Thanks, OCPMovie. You will be missed. But this forum doesn't begin nor end with one member.
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Originally posted by: Zion
This guy is my hero.
Originally posted by: Cawdor
Way to ban one of the best members here. Maybe you could ban Jambe Davdar too. See if you can't speed up this forums nosedive into irrelevance.
You mods are stupid petty dicks. You may as well ban me too because OCPMovie is one of the only reasons I ever come here.
Fuck you all
Way to ban one of the best members here. Maybe you could ban Jambe Davdar too. See if you can't speed up this forums nosedive into irrelevance.
You mods are stupid petty dicks. You may as well ban me too because OCPMovie is one of the only reasons I ever come here.
Fuck you all
This guy is my hero.
Join the dark side… and get a free cookie!
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I arrived here in Nov 2004, probably after a link from one of Rikter's many torrents in that place we all know and love thanks to people like ADM, Rikter and DarkJedi (You know that one where everybody knows your name and share ratio.
). Anyways, I too have been a fan of The Thief and the Cobbler since reading that issue of Comic Scene (which might have been the same one with the Superman II script that made me love the original Donner version oh so many years ago, but I'm not sure). OCP's Deleted Magic was a thing of wonder, and his work on Thief is still amazing to me. The guy has a passion for his hobbies, that much I'll give him. Unfortunately, I've always lived by a rule of "What I have, I'll gladly share with you" with almost all acts of fandom (this has been my way since I was doing fansub vhs tapes back in the late 80's). When I first read the Thief threads, I was excited and shot OCP an email about getting copies of all the dvds he had done. I was quoted prices that seemed astronomically high for stuff that he got in trade himself, so I waited. I pulled the torrents, have given out more copies of Thief and Deleted Magic then I could count, and have spread the word of Dick Williams. I saw the news about the 2k6 OOT dvds, and shared my opinions about GL's methods of releasing them on this and other forums. Personally, I think it was a crock of shit what GL did, but then again, he's been having people double-dip for years now, so it wasn't surprising to see him do it again. That being said, the first "banning of OCP" was kind of a shock, until I learned of his ranting. I followed threads to other forums where they too talked of banning him...but not because of Star Wars. They banned him because of Thief, because of money involved with Thief dvds, and for other reasons (some I agreed with, some I didn't, but I kept my opinion to myself).
Now, I've been into fansubbing and "bootlegging" per-say for right at 20 years or so, and in that entire time, I have never, EVER, charged someone for what I have. I'll ask for the medium to put it on (vhs back then, dvd now), or enough to cover said medium if I supply it, but I have never been paid for stuff for fandom. Have I traded? Yes, for an even trade of stuff. Have I just given people copies so they can see it or have it in their collection? All the freakin time. Hell, for the past few years, most of my friends have gotten fanedits or preservation dvds for birthday or christmas presents. Have I put stuff on ebay or sold people things that I downloaded/traded for/bought from a skeezy dealer at a con or evil "we rent or sale bootlegs or fansubs tapes/dvd" comic shop (ocp didn't do the ebay thing but alot of others have)? Oh HELL no. I didn't buy it, so I'm not making profit off of it.
OCP put alot of his own time and money into his Thief project, and for that I give him kudos and pats on the back and all that jazz. But, if he's offering it to people, to get it out there, to help people see what has not been previously seen before, charging them should have never come into the equation.
Deleted Magic- top notch work, which I still give out to this day to people as a great supplement to Star Wars and to see stuff they've never seen before with it.
The Thief and the Cobbler- I give this out like it's crack going out of style, and will continue to do so since we'll never be able to buy the "true" version of this film.
But selling stuff = wrong. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
OCP will be missed, that goes without saying. The work he's done is some of the best stuff out there, and I hold his edits and preservations with that of ADM, CBB, AngrySvn, Rikter, MeBeJedi and a ton of other equally awesome assets to the fanedit/preservation community. But, I can't condone what he's done with the whole "I need money" thing. I'm sorry man, I've worked alot of shitty jobs at shitty pay (at my current one, I've worked both Thanksgiving and Christmas day at REGULAR pay because my boss doesn't have to pay holiday pay), and have never EVER resorted to selling fanedits or preservations of things.
If you're reading this OCP, I thank you for the work you've done on Thief, Deleted Magic, the SW Classic Editions, and your other projects. And I do wish you good luck in the future with your other movies, projects and life.
And my brain is empty......
Ok, no more typing out big "my 2 cents" rants while I'm at work working a swing shift....
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OCP is a valued member who had done top-notch work. I've dealt with him and it was always a pleasure. I think it's wrong what he did and I agree with his banning. What he did put the existence of this site in jeopardy.
I think this whole issue is so touchy because none of us really want to see him banned. His work is amazing and it's tough to see someone who contributed so much to this community go down in flames like that.
I only hope that sometime and somehow, he can come back to the community and continue to knock our socks off with his work. I know that's probably not possible ever, but I hope it can change.
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I think the point has been made by this forums admins on the subject, and that the reason for the banning is now well known by all who visit here on a regular basis. If people want to break the rules, then ban them for a time, and let everyone know the reason. The whole perma ban thing does not lend it's self to being constructive in a comunity such as this. Let's learn how to grow and work this type of thing out. As admins, you took on the role of building up a comunity, not becoming the overlords of copyright policy.
Now let's be big men, and learn to forgive. This issue has become very petty and ego based.
Let Pete Rose into the Baseball Hall of Fame! They even pardoned Nixon for God sakes...
FF
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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Now let's be big men, and learn to forgive.
Now let's be big men, and learn to forgive.
I've suggested this to OCP previously, but it seems pretty obvioust that he isnt interested.
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
I've suggested this to OCP previously, but it seems pretty obvioust that he isnt interested.
Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Now let's be big men, and learn to forgive.
Now let's be big men, and learn to forgive.
I've suggested this to OCP previously, but it seems pretty obvioust that he isnt interested.
This is good to know. I'm glad an attempt to reconcile this issue has been made.
FF
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I've suggested this to OCP previously, but it seems pretty obvioust that he isnt interested.
Oh come on, OCP...if they offered to forgive you and you just walked away, then that's fucked!!!
You're an asset here....put a band-aid on your ego and get your ass back in the fold here!!!
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Oh come on, OCP...if they offered to forgive you and you just walked away, then that's fucked!!!
It does nothing to help things that he is getting spammed on his own forum by people here.
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When did this become HIS forum?
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
No, I didn't say anything about the mods offering anything. I said that I suggested to OCP that he just bite his tongue and forget about the whole thing because it's really petty and not worth remembering. That's all.
No, I didn't say anything about the mods offering anything. I said that I suggested to OCP that he just bite his tongue and forget about the whole thing because it's really petty and not worth remembering. That's all.
Ah....I see. I'd like to see the whole thing forgiven and just be a reminder that this kind of stuff isn't allowed here.
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This is sad, this guy has truely brought some great things to this forum.
He has helped me with ideas on my projects and guided me in the right direction. His projects have been a inspiration to all of us.
Once he sent me a package of 5 discs with his great projects and never asked anything in return.
He is truely a class act.....
People make mistakes, we are all human..................
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WOW, you are probably the ONLY one that ever got that treatment.
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"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Originally posted by: dark_jediWOW, you are probably the ONLY one that ever got that treatment.
To be fair, he's not. If you established a repoire with the guy, he'd send you stuff at his own expense if you asked nicely. Not defending his other actions, I'm just saying that he did send out non-Thief stuff for free.
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
To be fair, he's not. If you established a repoire with the guy, he'd send you stuff at his own expense if you asked nicely. Not defending his other actions, I'm just saying that he did send out non-Thief stuff for free.
Originally posted by: dark_jediWOW, you are probably the ONLY one that ever got that treatment.
To be fair, he's not. If you established a repoire with the guy, he'd send you stuff at his own expense if you asked nicely. Not defending his other actions, I'm just saying that he did send out non-Thief stuff for free.
Glad to see that he did treat some people other than myself. (Personally, I told him to stop sending me things - as I'd rather see the man eat than send me DVDs of his work)
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
It's really sad it had to end this way because I think he's a decent person over all, and did some terrific things for this community with his releases.
In fact I don't think I'm the only person who likes his work and considers him a great friend of this community.
It's really sad it had to end this way because I think he's a decent person over all, and did some terrific things for this community with his releases.
In fact I don't think I'm the only person who likes his work and considers him a great friend of this community.
I haven't posted before today, so forgive me if it's not my place to comment, but OCP is the guy who told me about this site and these boards. I've bought dvd's from him before and the prices were pretty much just cost of disc and shipping. Also his work is great, Deleted Magic, Return of the Ewok, the Classic Editions. I can't comment about the issues with him mentioned but it seems to be a shame to lose him.
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Originally posted by: amsnyder
I haven't posted before today, so forgive me if it's not my place to comment, but OCP is the guy who told me about this site and these boards. I've bought dvd's from him before and the prices were pretty much just cost of disc and shipping. Also his work is great, Deleted Magic, Return of the Ewok, the Classic Editions. I can't comment about the issues with him mentioned but it seems to be a shame to lose him.
Hey, Aaron... great to see you around these parts!I haven't posted before today, so forgive me if it's not my place to comment, but OCP is the guy who told me about this site and these boards. I've bought dvd's from him before and the prices were pretty much just cost of disc and shipping. Also his work is great, Deleted Magic, Return of the Ewok, the Classic Editions. I can't comment about the issues with him mentioned but it seems to be a shame to lose him.
I too think it's a shame to not see OCP around here anymore. As you and I both know, he's done some great things for this community, and he was one of the most talented and driven members here. At the same time, he seems to have stepped on the wrong toes to step on around here, and it cost him his membership. All I can really say about that is that it's probably not a very good idea to insult the host in their own house if you ever expect to be welcome there again.
If I could somehow make it so OCP could be here again and play well with others, I would definitely do it. The forum feels incomplete without his input.
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Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
Preserving the…cringe…Star Wars Holiday Special [COMPLETED]
The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
Felix the Cat 1919-1930 early film shorts preservation [ONGOING]
Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
Iznogoud (1995 animated series) English audio preservation [ONGOING]
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