I wish GL had creative control, but that Disney had distributing rights, so that we would get a cohesive story and plenty of content at the same time.
“There is a tremor in the Force.”
“Give yourself to the dark side.” -Lord Vader
I wish GL had creative control, but that Disney had distributing rights, so that we would get a cohesive story and plenty of content at the same time.
A cohesive story from George Lucas? When did he ever do this? 😃
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Formerly Emre1601 - computer hard drives are brittle too!
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
I was referring to Star Wars, both on-screen and his retconned and made-up claims off screen, as well as the lack of cohesive story of the 6 main films.
Stuff like this:
George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist
Original Trilogy vs The Prequels: inconsistencies, retcons, plot holes and discrepancies
and within the Original Trilogy itself.
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Formerly Emre1601 - computer hard drives are brittle too!
I don’t like the prequels either but contradicting yourself on details is pretty different from an incoherent story
Reading R + L ≠ J theories
I should have been clearer.
The Original Trilogy was not written, designed or made as being “always about the tragedy of Darth Vader”, as George later claimed what became his 6 main film Star Wars Saga story was about.
The reasons why, the details, or evidence, is in those threads. And in lots more on here.
Retcons, discrepancies, mental gymnastics, revisionism, making characters into liars to justify lack of coherent story, inconsistencies in the films (in the OT, the disconnects between the OT and PT, and in the PT), the need for Machete orders to keep plot to make sense or not be spoiled, and also Lucas’s many made up claims to try and justify the lack of cohesion, are all on such a scale that when watching the 6 films together it is not a coherent story.
To me anyway.
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Formerly Emre1601 - computer hard drives are brittle too!
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
I was referring to Star Wars, both on-screen and his retconned and made-up claims off screen, as well as the lack of cohesive story of the 6 main films.
or 9 films, 12, 13. or 1 film and a cheap sequel, or just 3 films. Then back to 6 films, then “I never said 9 films” 😃
“Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, in danger, in love, in Star Wars” : 30 second 1977 trailer on YouTube. Before the story was changed to make them brother and sister, and before their father was changed to become Vader, and then made all about their father instead.
Yeah, we understood what you meant.
“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas
No, we didn’t, because that’s not incoherent.
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
I was referring to Star Wars, both on-screen and his retconned and made-up claims off screen, as well as the lack of cohesive story of the 6 main films.
or 9 films, 12, 13. or 1 film and a cheap sequel, or just 3 films. Then back to 6 films, then “I never said 9 films” 😃
“Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, in danger, in love, in Star Wars” : 30 second 1977 trailer on YouTube. Before the story was changed to make them brother and sister, and before their father was changed to become Vader, and then made all about their father instead.
Yeah, we understood what you meant.
Thank you. Such a weird trailer seeing that back again. Are you glad Lucas sold up too?
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Formerly Emre1601 - computer hard drives are brittle too!
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
I was referring to Star Wars, both on-screen and his retconned and made-up claims off screen, as well as the lack of cohesive story of the 6 main films.
or 9 films, 12, 13. or 1 film and a cheap sequel, or just 3 films. Then back to 6 films, then “I never said 9 films” 😃
“Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, in danger, in love, in Star Wars” : 30 second 1977 trailer on YouTube. Before the story was changed to make them brother and sister, and before their father was changed to become Vader, and then made all about their father instead.
Yeah, we understood what you meant.
Thank you. Such a weird trailer seeing that back again. Are you glad Lucas sold up too?
Yeah, that magical awe vanished when the Prequels came out. Like so many other have commented on over time, GL suffers from not having those talents and creatives around him to challenge him, say no to him, offer alternatives, bring their insights to the fore and so on. To go back and continue needlessly altering that work is a stain on what they all achieved together.
Lucas’ content since the mid 1990s hasn’t been engaging and lacked that magic “he” once had. So he may as well have handed over the reigns to someone else and do whatever it is he is doing now, whatever that is I do hope it makes him happy. The Disney era of SW has been a very mixed bag, but I’ll happily take R1, Solo, Andor, Visions, and even TFA & TLJ. Even though I’d probably only re-watch R1, Andor and Visions.
Yourself?
“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas
Stop talking to yourself.
1971, 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981…
I was referring to Star Wars, both on-screen and his retconned and made-up claims off screen, as well as the lack of cohesive story of the 6 main films.
or 9 films, 12, 13. or 1 film and a cheap sequel, or just 3 films. Then back to 6 films, then “I never said 9 films” 😃
“Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, in danger, in love, in Star Wars” : 30 second 1977 trailer on YouTube. Before the story was changed to make them brother and sister, and before their father was changed to become Vader, and then made all about their father instead.
Yeah, we understood what you meant.
Thank you. Such a weird trailer seeing that back again. Are you glad Lucas sold up too?
Yeah, that magical awe vanished when the Prequels came out. Like so many other have commented on over time, GL suffers from not having those talents and creatives around him to challenge him, say no to him, offer alternatives, bring their insights to the fore and so on. To go back and continue needlessly altering that work is a stain on what they all achieved together.
Lucas’ content since the mid 1990s hasn’t been engaging and lacked that magic “he” once had. So he may as well have handed over the reigns to someone else and do whatever it is he is doing now, whatever that is I do hope it makes him happy. The Disney era of SW has been a very mixed bag, but I’ll happily take R1, Solo, Andor, Visions, and even TFA & TLJ. Even though I’d probably only re-watch R1, Andor and Visions.
Yourself?
I wasn’t a fan of Rogue One, it was okay, although it has grown on me a lot since Andor. I appreciated the effort of it, the 70s style, but didn’t work for me. A 6/10. I do enjoy Visions, but most of the releases since 2012 have been hit and miss. I agree with you on Lucas, and the new streaming services are a license for fun of the mill average series every year. I wish it wasn’t sold to Disney, but very much doubt we would have got any better under George. Glad he sold up, took the money, and didn’t do his latest known version of the Sequels.
The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.
Formerly Emre1601 - computer hard drives are brittle too!
Part of me wishes he didn’t, but for the most part I’m glad he did.
I just resent Disney owning everything and creators who hit it big selling their successful indie studios to bigger ones (Minecraft comes to mind). The content would’ve been largely the same with or without Disney, with the caveat of the Sequels not being rushed by Iger’s deadlines.
On the one hand, I’m glad that Lucas didn’t have the opportunity to make the Sequel Trilogy the way he wanted to, because I strongly dislike his ideas for the Sequels, and I’m genuinely happy that Disney decided not to use them when they decided to make the Sequels. On the other hand, though, I think that almost everything that has been released by Disney so far has been extremely disappointing to say the least, except for Rogue One and Andor. So, I have mixed feelings about this subject. In retrospect, I think that the best thing that Lucas could have done was keeping Lucasfilm away from Disney and maintaining it as an independent company, but still retiring to private life and putting someone else in charge of Lucasfilm, possibly not Dave Filoni.
«No one is guilty of being born a slave. But the slave to whom not only aspirations for freedom are alien, but who justifies and paints his slavery in rosy colors, such a slave is a lackey and a brute who arouses a legitimate sense of indignation, disgust and repugnance.»
— Vladimir Lenin
In retrospect, I think that the best thing that Lucas could have done was keeping Lucasfilm away from Disney and maintaining it as an independent company, but still retiring to private life and putting someone else in charge of Lucasfilm, possibly not Dave Filoni.
In that scenario I fear Lucasfilm would have turned into Filoni’s fanfiction playground. I’m glad we aren’t living in that world.
Before Lucas sold to Disney, he was working on a more adult-themed live action Star Wars show called Underworld, which was set on lower Coruscant and would focus on various criminal elements. That premise sounded cool - but we’ll never know how it would have actually been implemented (the test footage looks raw but kind of awesome in my opinion).
Disney canceled that project, obviously. But it’s at least something to consider when weighing what we ultimately got with Disney against what an independent Lucasfilm may have done.
I mostly hate what Disney has done with Star Wars, especially with the Sequel Trilogy. But the thing is, Lucas also mostly sucks. The Prequels are as bad as the Disney crap, just in very different ways. So my feeling about whether or not Star Wars would be better off without Disney is sort of just “shrug?”. I mean yeah, Disney mostly sucks, but it’s not like Lucas was that great either.
The tragic reality is that the “good Star Wars movies” (basically Episode 4 and 5) were primarily flukes. They were not really representative of the kind of movies Lucas actually wanted to make. They were lightning in a bottle, benefitting from serendipitous casting and people like Ralph McQuarrie and John Williams, along with many other talented people who weren’t afraid to ignore Lucas’ more questionable inclinations. Even the way they made blockbuster movies back in 1981 is entirely different from the ultra-stream-lined digital production process of today, where directors have much less creative control over expensive special effects shots and lots of decisions are made by committee.
What would be funny is if he sold the rights to Francis Ford Coppola or Steven Spielberg. See what kind of stir that would cause.
All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph!
In retrospect, I think that the best thing that Lucas could have done was keeping Lucasfilm away from Disney and maintaining it as an independent company, but still retiring to private life and putting someone else in charge of Lucasfilm, possibly not Dave Filoni.
In that scenario I fear Lucasfilm would have turned into Filoni’s fanfiction playground. I’m glad we aren’t living in that world.
I said “possibly NOT Dave Filoni”.
«No one is guilty of being born a slave. But the slave to whom not only aspirations for freedom are alien, but who justifies and paints his slavery in rosy colors, such a slave is a lackey and a brute who arouses a legitimate sense of indignation, disgust and repugnance.»
— Vladimir Lenin
In retrospect, I think that the best thing that Lucas could have done was keeping Lucasfilm away from Disney and maintaining it as an independent company, but still retiring to private life and putting someone else in charge of Lucasfilm, possibly not Dave Filoni.
In that scenario I fear Lucasfilm would have turned into Filoni’s fanfiction playground. I’m glad we aren’t living in that world.
I said “possibly NOT Dave Filoni”.
My bad.
In that scenario I fear Lucasfilm would have turned into Filoni’s fanfiction playground. I’m glad we aren’t living in that world.
Wait what? I am actually living in that world. Can you help me build a transdimensional portal so I can come to your timeline, where Lucasfilm isn’t just Dave Filoni’s fan-fiction playground?
In that scenario I fear Lucasfilm would have turned into Filoni’s fanfiction playground. I’m glad we aren’t living in that world.
Wait what? I am actually living in that world. Can you help me build a transdimensional portal so I can come to your timeline, where Lucasfilm isn’t just Dave Filoni’s fan-fiction playground?
i’m actually laughing out loud because yes since Clone Wars we have been living in Dave’s world with Star Wars.
I don’t think George had an intention of making sequels reading the artbooks it was Kathy Kennedy who decided on a sequel trilogy when she was VP. And by all accounts the original characters were going to be cameos at best, and not even characters at worst. Since Disney wanted their own stamp on Star Wars. George showing Rick Carter and the art department his treatment is very bizarre since he had sold the company.
Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making. The prequel movies sucked but the books, comics, and games were good. In the Disney era, the movies/tv shows are hit or miss and most of the books/comics suck. It’s the same: a mega corporation is running star wars and its like playing the lotto when seeking out a product with artistic integrity. I wish it was more like the 1983-1998 era. That was a magical and special era. Star Wars felt like it had a focus more on quality than quantity and Lucasfilm didn’t feel like a mega corporation like Disney, it felt more like an independent company like New Line Cinema. Until the prequels came out, then things got really kiddy (Yes, i’m aware of the ewoks movies and shows from the 80’s but that was nowhere near as mainstream as the kiddy prequels and clone wars cartoon and the massive marketing behind it)
I do think the “culture war” nonsense that current Lucasfilm employees constantly spew makes me prefer the prequel era because it’s just pathetic and has nothing to do with Star Wars and it’s annoying. I want to escape to a galaxy far away, not Portland. But that has more to do with behind the scenes stuff and not the actual products
Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making.
Fair. Nobody who saw Red Tails and Strange Magic was calling him a visionary. It’s just that people love to think about how great things that they don’t have could have been.
Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making.
Fair. Nobody who saw Red Tails and Strange Magic was calling him a visionary. It’s just that people love to think about how great things that they don’t have could have been.
Honestly, those weren’t bad films. They were competent movies. Lucas is talented. I have more respect for Red Tails and Strange Magic than the prequels. at least 1 and 2. I feel his priorities changed significantly in the prequel era; he cared more about just “telling the story” and getting it done expediently and playing with digital technology, rather than trying to make “good cinema.” I honestly feel like he could care less about being a good film maker, and just wants to be a creator in general.
I think some people who wish Lucas was back feel this way because in the prequel era there was no social media. A lot of the antagonistic feelings from the fans can be attributed to this “interaction” between the fans and Lucasfilm employees on social media. Back in the prequel era if something sucked, you just said it sucked and the film maker (Lucas) just moved on. I really miss that believe it or not. And Not just with Star Wars but the industry as a whole. Now Lucasfilm employees can actually respond to the fans and when they do, all I see is all the $$$$$ Disney is losing because of this necessity to “fight back against the haters.” Very bad business model. I’ll never understand that. Disney should just shut up and either stay the course or implement corrective action. Don’t communicate with the fans about there negative feedback. No good will come out of it. Because if you say, “we’re sorry and we’ll change”, you’ll lose the people that liked the initial product, and if you say we won’t change, you just lose those customers because you are not adhering to their criticism’s. I produce products myself and when I get hated on I simply say “Thanks for your feedback”, even when I believe 1000% in my product and disagree with the hater. You know why? Because all I think about is this guy’s $$$$ and how I want him to give me another chance at his $$$ even if I believe in my product and I am not changing anything.
But again, every time I watch Andor or Rogue One or Mandalorian 1 and 2, I’m happy Lucas sold it