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Also, if anyone has the theatrical version of AOTC and can do me a better version of the following pic, I'll credit them as well.
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Anyone got the original 'theatrical' release of TPM or AOTC?
Also, if anyone has the theatrical version of AOTC and can do me a better version of the following pic, I'll credit them as well.
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I will check out my Theatrical TPM later.
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There is another clip that may be of interest in this thread.
Both clips are from the TB Release which was recorded from a DVB broadcast on European Canal + back in 2001.
If you need any more clips, please let me know.
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Anyway, how do you want to be credited in the article? Drop me a PM if you like.
Cheers,
Chris
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If you are looking to update your articles, you will find lots of info on the Star Wars Mono version here.
Deleted Magic and Building Empire certainly have changes that you have not covered so far as well.
In my opinion, the TB releases are the best Ep 1 theatrical and OT SE versions available. For Ep 2, all I know of is a really scabby CAM copy which is where I got the screenshots from for my basic Ep 2 changes page.
Your PM's are not switched on but you can always e-mail me. The address is in my profile.
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I look forward to seeing the comparisons once you are done with them
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Originally posted by: russs15
In my opinion, the TB releases are the best Ep 1 theatrical and OT SE versions available. I guess we could call these definitive, then, at this point. I can't stress enough how important these are to preservation efforts. They are now more of an endangered species than the OOT, in my book. But I really hope something similar turns up for the theatrical version of Episode 2.
For Ep 2, all I know of is a really scabby CAM copy which is where I got the screenshots from for my basic Ep 2 changes page.
Unfortunately, that sounds like what I've got as well. I've looked around for something better, to no avail.In my opinion, the TB releases are the best Ep 1 theatrical and OT SE versions available. I guess we could call these definitive, then, at this point. I can't stress enough how important these are to preservation efforts. They are now more of an endangered species than the OOT, in my book. But I really hope something similar turns up for the theatrical version of Episode 2.
For Ep 2, all I know of is a really scabby CAM copy which is where I got the screenshots from for my basic Ep 2 changes page.
Has ANYBODY ever run across a decent copy of the original theatrical version of Episode 2? (no hand-holding during Anakin's wedding, minor changes to some other scenes, etc.)
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Originally posted by: SKot
Originally posted by: russs15
In my opinion, the TB releases are the best Ep 1 theatrical and OT SE versions available.
I guess we could call these definitive, then, at this point. I can't stress enough how important these are to preservation efforts. They are now more of an endangered species than the OOT, in my book. But I really hope something similar turns up for the theatrical version of Episode 2. In my opinion, the TB releases are the best Ep 1 theatrical and OT SE versions available.
Finally, somebody agrees with me. I may not think the prequels are too great, especially compared to their predecessors, but I still believe they need to be preserved from Lucas's tinkering. Am I the only person who thinks that the changes to the DVD version of TPM are just awful?!
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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War does not make one great.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I thought that the theatrical version was a bit boring anyhow, but I'm not a fan of TPM.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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When they first get to Coruscant, Qui-Gon ends the scene by saying something along the lines of, "We must meet with the Jedi Council. I'm afraid the situation is much more serious." I thought that was an awesome way to end the scene. But George decided to add in the rest of what they filmed, where Anakin isn't sure where to go. Qui-Gon waves him off. He gets into a sky car with Jar-Jar. They're taken off to Palpatine's building or wherever it is they're staying. And it's basically an excuse to show "awesome" CG establishing shots of Coruscant because, according to Rick McCallum, we hadn't seen enough of the planet to get a feel for it. Riiiight. The only thing I like about it is seeing Anakin's confusion at getting passed off and not knowing where to go, but it totally dilutes the scene and the transition. And, once again, it ruins the pacing.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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A preservation project for Clones would be tougher as the DVD was the first release and it had all of the changes. I am sure someone out there somewhere has a better version than the camcorder version. Was it ever broadcast on TV? Which version would have this been? And could any of these changes be fixed manually, in a manner similiar to what Darth Editous did? I'd bet the hand holding scene at the wedding could.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Pacing aside, lets get back to the topic. The TPM original version was available on VHS and Laserdisc. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to construct a hybrid version of the movie based on the DVD with the differences grafted in from a good laserdisc transfer. Sort of along the lines of OCP's Classic Editions. The laserdisc transfer I have isn't bad, but nowhere near comparable to the DVD. No need to use the laserdisc for the original version of TPM, man... the TB version is the original theatrical release, and it looks better than anything I've seen. Surely better than any laserdisc transfer out there.
A preservation project for Clones would be tougher as the DVD was the first release and it had all of the changes. I am sure someone out there somewhere has a better version than the camcorder version. Was it ever broadcast on TV? Which version would have this been?
That's what I'm thinking; there's GOT to be a better version of the theatrical AOTC than the crappy camcorder versions we've seen. But I fear that may be difficult since the changes were made while it was still in the theaters, showing up in the digitally projected version. That means that one became the definitive version extremely quickly. So I doubt there was a version of it shown on TV before that point, and anything after that most likely would have been the same as the digitally projected version.Pacing aside, lets get back to the topic. The TPM original version was available on VHS and Laserdisc. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to construct a hybrid version of the movie based on the DVD with the differences grafted in from a good laserdisc transfer. Sort of along the lines of OCP's Classic Editions. The laserdisc transfer I have isn't bad, but nowhere near comparable to the DVD. No need to use the laserdisc for the original version of TPM, man... the TB version is the original theatrical release, and it looks better than anything I've seen. Surely better than any laserdisc transfer out there.
A preservation project for Clones would be tougher as the DVD was the first release and it had all of the changes. I am sure someone out there somewhere has a better version than the camcorder version. Was it ever broadcast on TV? Which version would have this been?
Somebody prove me wrong on this... please!
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Return Of The Ewok and Other Short Films (with OCPmovie) [COMPLETED]
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The Star Wars TV Commercials Project [DORMANT]
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Lights Out! (lost TV anthology shows) [ONGOING]
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't know. I'd say that anything that is added into a movie that makes the plot simply come to a screeching halt for it is something that negatively effects the pacing. At least, that's how I see it. I've only edited together short scenes for class, though, and I was never allowed to take anything out. But the scenes they edited back in were completely unnecessary. As if we really need to see Anakin and Jar-Jar fly to their next destination. As if we really need to know who any other racer besides Sebulba is. Take the movie Cars, for example. They didn't waste time giving a big introductory sequence of every car in the race. They only showed the three that mattered that mattered to the plot.
I don't know. I'd say that anything that is added into a movie that makes the plot simply come to a screeching halt for it is something that negatively effects the pacing. At least, that's how I see it. I've only edited together short scenes for class, though, and I was never allowed to take anything out. But the scenes they edited back in were completely unnecessary. As if we really need to see Anakin and Jar-Jar fly to their next destination. As if we really need to know who any other racer besides Sebulba is. Take the movie Cars, for example. They didn't waste time giving a big introductory sequence of every car in the race. They only showed the three that mattered that mattered to the plot.
Hmm, perhaps the distinction you're looking at is purpose. In art, every aspect of a piece is supposed to center around the conceptual and/or emotional focus, blending paradoxical elements such as complexity with simplicity. That focus is what gives every element a purpose in relation to every other element.
Most of those additions (and a number of the scenes that weren't even added) serve no purpose in relation to anything else; they simply hurt the story or some other artistic focus. The scene where they introduce the other racers has no point whatsoever. There's no reason for it. Same thing goes for the endless flyby sequences in the movies. Such things cause people to yawn and lose track of what's going on.
Otherwise, I thought the scene where Anakin was unsure of where to go and then seeing transport taking off from the landing platform held my interest pretty well.
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After all, that's what deleted scenes are for. For most good movies, a lot of them are entertaining, humorous, or informative, and you yell, "Why did they cut this?! This is so good!" But you watch the completed film, and you realize there was really no place for it.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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