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Double post, sorry.
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stealthboy said:
I’m fine with people liking the prequels up until they start trashing the OUT. Then we will have words. I make the mistake of venturing over to reddit.com/r/starwars/ sometimes. Basically I’m not a real fan and not welcome because I don’t embrace the prequels and all the changes they feel were necessary to the OT just to fit more inline with their prequels.I agree with you. This is the reason why I can’t stand the Star Wars fandom, I’ve never seen anything like it with any other major franchise.
Star Wars is a nasty fandom, and it’s all because the OUT is unavailable in acceptable quality and prequelists gloat about it. If Disney made the OUT available, it would calm everything right down.
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It’s a bummer that he has to deal with so many weirdos and jerks on twitter, but I don’t get this smug indifference about the original version. It’s not a good look for people who (either as fans, or working at LFL, or blogging about their particular Star Wars-related fetishes) are heavily invested in all the other goofy details of that world.
That’s typical of his segment of the fandom. People who love the “saga” (if you can call it that) tend to be the most rude regarding the OOT.
EDIT: Just to be clear I still don’t believe that he knows what he’s talking about.
Gee, it’s almost as if when you’re rude and condescending to peopleabout things THEY like (in this case, the Prequels and the SE) they may be rude and condescending about things YOU like (the OOT).
The OOT goes way beyond “things we like” to “things that were stolen from us.”
…but that doesn’t change the fact that ever since the release of the SE and the Prequels, people like you have been smug and condescending toward those who like it, using big words that make you sound smart such as “objectively wrong”.
But he’s right. Objectively they are bad films, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy them and no one here seems to take on that ‘mentality’ - save for some trolls. I love the prequels and the Special Editions, but I feel perfectly at home on this forum, compared to the other hundreds out there.
Despite liking the SEs, I would give anything for the OOT to be released in HD and I understand why people believe they have had it “stolen from them”. These are films that influenced their entire lives… but are now conformed to a new ‘vision’. Imagine how that makes them feel… they feel cheated.
It’s not about which version you like, it’s about preserving the cultural / emotional impact of the original big three.
Excellent post.
Well, except for loving the prequels. 😉
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Comment removed, as I only just noticed that I’d repeated Bill Hunt’s latest info. which has already been mentioned.
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stealthboy said:
I’m fine with people liking the prequels up until they start trashing the OUT. Then we will have words. I make the mistake of venturing over to reddit.com/r/starwars/ sometimes. Basically I’m not a real fan and not welcome because I don’t embrace the prequels and all the changes they feel were necessary to the OT just to fit more inline with their prequels.I agree with you. This is the reason why I can’t stand the Star Wars fandom, I’ve never seen anything like it with any other major franchise.
Star Wars is a nasty fandom, and it’s all because the OUT is unavailable in acceptable quality. If Disney made it available, it would calm everything right down.
That’s not the only reason, not by a long shot. No way things calm down after the OUT is released. You clearly haven’t been reading the rest of the forum.
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Considering makingstarwars.net has a track record for generally posting reliable rumors, should we be hopeful?
Perhaps not…as Bill Hunt over at TheDigitalBits also covered that in a hopeful way yesterday - www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022317-1600
…but then released this updated info. about it today - www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022417-0100
(on the positive side, he did mention Harmy’s 720p versions each time, and gave a link to here too. So ‘yay!’ I guess)
You’re a few pages behind. :p
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I think that was a very irresponsible tweet by Pablo. It did nothing positive at all. All it did was anger the OUT fans and further drive us away from the new Disney Star Wars direction.
If they have such active contempt for the very core of us who saw Star Wars in the theaters in the 70’s and 80’s, they are throwing away the legacy that made everything so great in the first place. I can only hope Lucasfilm slaps his wrists a bit for this. Not the way you want to solidify your very diverse fan base.
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It’s a bummer that he has to deal with so many weirdos and jerks on twitter, but I don’t get this smug indifference about the original version. It’s not a good look for people who (either as fans, or working at LFL, or blogging about their particular Star Wars-related fetishes) are heavily invested in all the other goofy details of that world.
That’s typical of his segment of the fandom. People who love the “saga” (if you can call it that) tend to be the most rude regarding the OOT.
EDIT: Just to be clear I still don’t believe that he knows what he’s talking about.
Gee, it’s almost as if when you’re rude and condescending to peopleabout things THEY like (in this case, the Prequels and the SE) they may be rude and condescending about things YOU like (the OOT).
The OOT goes way beyond “things we like” to “things that were stolen from us.”
using big words that make you sound smart such as “objectively wrong”.
Actual Literal Laugh Out Loud.
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stealthboy said:
I’m fine with people liking the prequels up until they start trashing the OUT. Then we will have words. I make the mistake of venturing over to reddit.com/r/starwars/ sometimes. Basically I’m not a real fan and not welcome because I don’t embrace the prequels and all the changes they feel were necessary to the OT just to fit more inline with their prequels.I agree with you. This is the reason why I can’t stand the Star Wars fandom, I’ve never seen anything like it with any other major franchise.
Star Wars is a nasty fandom, and it’s all because the OUT is unavailable in acceptable quality. If Disney made it available, it would calm everything right down.
That’s not the only reason, not by a long shot. No way things calm down after the OUT is released. You clearly haven’t been reading the rest of the forum.
I’ve edited my post to clarify what I meant - it’s the prequel people gloating about the OUT not being available.
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But it’s still not the only issue, and while this particular issue goes away once the OUT is released, the nasty fandom component will continue bitching about all the other things they bitch about now.
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You’re a few pages behind. :p
Dammit, you quoted my post just before I amended it. 😃
Yeah, I somehow got mixed up with the page numbers of this thread, and missed the last heap of comments, lol!
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But it’s still not the only issue, and while this particular issue goes away once the OUT is released, the nasty fandom component will continue bitching about all the other things they bitch about now.
Yes, but once the OUT is available, it will be no worse than any other fandom. At the moment, gloating about the unavailability of the OUT sets Star Wars fandom apart in terms of the amount of bile.
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I think that was a very irresponsible tweet by Pablo. It did nothing positive at all. All it did was anger the OUT fans and further drive us away from the new Disney Star Wars direction.
If they have such active contempt for the very core of us who saw Star Wars in the theaters in the 70’s and 80’s, they are throwing away the legacy that made everything so great in the first place. I can only hope Lucasfilm slaps his wrists a bit for this. Not the way you want to solidify your very diverse fan base.
I agree completely. Winding up your customers is not a good idea.
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The bitchy side of geeks is apparent in all fractions of all fandoms. It’s not exclusive to Star Wars nor is the SW fandom any worse than others. The suppression of the OUT adds an exclusive bit of anger/frustration in the SW fandom, but other than that topic, it’s no different than any other franchise with a large following.
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Well I don’t waste time with any other fandom so I wouldn’t know. 😉
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One thing Bill Hunt disregards in his latest post is that an OOT restoration might not be based on the o-neg.
It could be that, like Blade Runner, the o-neg will be used for the current version but other sources (like interpositives and separation masters) could be used for the unaltered versions. This would still produce something much better looking than any fan-restoration could hope to achieve with a 35mm print.
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One thing Bill Hunt disregards in his latest post is that an OOT restoration might not be based on the o-neg.
It could be that, like Blade Runner, the o-neg will be used for the current version but other sources (like interpositives and separation masters) could be used for the unaltered versions. This would still produce something much better looking than any fan-restoration could hope to achieve with a 35mm print.
I’m certainly no expert on this. But couldnt they just scan all of the original elements that were cut out of the negatives separately and then digitally reassemble the original cut? I’m just trying to understand why the current state of the o-negs would rule out that an OOT restoration has taken place, as Bill firmly believes.
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas
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One thing Bill Hunt disregards in his latest post is that an OOT restoration might not be based on the o-neg.
It could be that, like Blade Runner, the o-neg will be used for the current version but other sources (like interpositives and separation masters) could be used for the unaltered versions. This would still produce something much better looking than any fan-restoration could hope to achieve with a 35mm print.
I’m certainly no expert on this. But couldnt they just scan all of the original elements that were cut out of the negatives separately and then digitally reassemble the original cut? I’m just trying to understand why the current state of the o-negs would rule out that an OOT restoration has taken place, as Bill firmly believes.
Ostensibly
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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Isn’t the 1985 interpositive still in pretty good condition?
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
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Isn’t the 1985 interpositive still in pretty good condition?
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
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Some of the conclusions you guys come to are hilarious.
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One thing Bill Hunt disregards in his latest post is that an OOT restoration might not be based on the o-neg.
It could be that, like Blade Runner, the o-neg will be used for the current version but other sources (like interpositives and separation masters) could be used for the unaltered versions. This would still produce something much better looking than any fan-restoration could hope to achieve with a 35mm print.
He also specifically mentions that they have no 4k restoration, which could mean that they have something at a lower resolution.
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stealthboy said:
I’m fine with people liking the prequels up until they start trashing the OUT. Then we will have words. I make the mistake of venturing over to reddit.com/r/starwars/ sometimes. Basically I’m not a real fan and not welcome because I don’t embrace the prequels and all the changes they feel were necessary to the OT just to fit more inline with their prequels.I agree with you. This is the reason why I can’t stand the Star Wars fandom, I’ve never seen anything like it with any other major franchise.
Star Wars is a nasty fandom, and it’s all because the OUT is unavailable in acceptable quality and prequelists gloat about it. If Disney made the OUT available, it would calm everything right down.
You need to hang around Trek fandom for a while. 😉
Some bad behavior from SW fans simply comes from being a douche, not the lack of the OOT.
Where were you in '77?
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What’s wrong with Trek fans? 😛
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There is no real reason for Disney to release the OUT, because then they wouldn’t have a carrot to entice people to see Episodes VIII & IX.
There is an entire generation of people under 30 who have never seen the originals or even remember them; so the SE is just how it always was and will be.