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Sorry for the belated feedback, Lee.  I liked this very much.  The colors look really good for the most part.  Obviously there were a few scenes in which they did look a little off, but this is probably unavoidable when one applies a one-size-fits-all correction to the film, and this might well be the best that can be achieved with this approach.  I say encode your DVD and release it. :-)

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Having not seen the resulting MKV, and basing all of this just on your HandBrake settings:

I'd go with a higher bitrate, or consider using the "Constant Quality" setting at around RF=20 or 18.  (Note that using the CQ setting negates the need for two video passes.)

I'd also not make it anamorphic, as I know that can cause compatibility issues on some players.  But this may not be a problem.  (I, personally, always encode anamorphic, but that's mainly because I know that what I'll be watching them on can display it properly.)

Otherwise, it all looks right to me.

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Chewtobacca wrote:  The colors look really good for the most part.  Obviously there were a few scenes in which they did look a little off, but this is probably unavoidable when one applies a one-size-fits-all correction to the film, and this might well be the best that can be achieved with this approach.

Yeah same here, watched in doubletime to get a general sense and took some caps of odd colors, but probably better to ask what scene did you use to 'set' your color adjustments.  Not worth commenting on random scenes which got thrown off.

But will anyway,.... some random things which came to mind.  3po looks more 'white gold' then 'golden' overall.  In the Blockade runner, never noticed how different white these randomly placed 3 horizontal circle things are.  In the shot of Vader picking up Antilles, there's the boot shine and it's almost all blue.  After picking up R2, the Sand Crawler at dusk/night shot has a really deep blue sky.  But felt the shots inside the Falcon look great, probably one of the areas where you were using to set the colors.  As Kenobi deactivates the tractor beam, the matte painting gets a very different color scheme then the on set stuff.  Ben's lightsaber's color in the Vader showdown is something people will bring up.  Multiple shots in the Death Star sequence go purple, for instance see when Vader's tie fighters get shot.  Can't complain about the 'face' shots they look true.

[*note* for the record, i'm no color expert, first saw Star Wars on a black and white majorly cut Library 8mm, and am on an uncalibrated monitor.  That aside. Am still confused by all the talk of the color blue since 2004. See the issues, but not sure what to do to solve them. *end note*]

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Yeah, I guess it just goes to show that the only way to get it really close to the film colors without causing problems is to adjust the color correction scene-by-scene. And I realize that would take a lot of time. But perhaps you can make some adjustment for the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, to make sure the light saber colors are correct (while still keeping the flesh tones fair), since that's such an important epic battle in Star Wars. :)

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Once again my thanks go out to all those who took the time to watch the work print and give feedback. Based on what you've said I have decided not to make any changes, as the issues raised could only be effectively fixed with scene by scene correction which I as I have said before I am not doing. ;)

I will let you all know when I start uploading the final DVD to the newsgroup. :)

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downloading now.  Can't wait to see it!

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Can I ask WHERE was it uploaded ? Sorry if I missed something :)

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Ah... so nothing for a torrent or rapidshare guy :-(

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I don't do newsgroups so if anyone posts this in other locations, do let us know. Personally, Lee, I'm really looking forward to seeing this.

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The site that is easiest to download large files from is Megaupload. As long as each part of the file is under 1 gigabyte in size, anyone can download them for free. The download speeds are often very fast (over 1 megabyte per second is common), and you can download 1 file right after the other with no waiting in between (until you surpass the total download limit, which varies from day to day, but is often 3-5 gigabytes at one time, then you have to wait a few hours and can start downloading again).

So, for example, let's say you have a restored dual-layer DVD version of Star Wars that is 8.2 Gigabytes in size. That could be uploaded in a 9 part .rar file, Star Wars.part1.rar, Star Wars.part2.rar, etc. The first 8 parts would be 950 megabytes each (this size can be easily set in winrar when making a multi-part .rar archive) and the last 9th part of the file would be whatever size was left over, in this case, about 600 megabytes. The first 3-7 files could be downloaded one after the other at very high speeds (download limits vary day to day, probably based on how heavy the load on the servers is that day), then you'd get a message that you've download X amount and you need to wait roughly 2 or 3 hours. So, you just wait a few hours, then download the other files. If you have a fast connection, you could download the whole thing in not many hours at all, and it's all free even at those high speeds. :) It's much much faster than Rapidshare.

By the way, never put Star Wars or ANH in the file name, so the files won't be taken down, just use some non-obvious acronym. Like LTREP4V1.part1.rar (LeeThorogood's Restored Episode 4 Version 1). :)

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Dunedain said:

The site that is easiest to download large files from is Megaupload.

I definitely agree. Megaupload is awesome and if someone with newsgroup access was willing to upload this wonderful project to there, it would be appreciated by many of us who don't have newsgroups.

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I have way to many versions of these movies...but I'll gladly take one more please.

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I got the chance to scan through your SW disc the other day.

While you've made some very interesting choices wrt the colour grading, personally I wouldn't choose to watch SW this way. My main issue is the brightness; it's almost as though you've attempted to match the photos taken of the screening exactly, even those that are obviously overexposed.

Also, I was grabbing some screenshots to put up on my Custom DVD comparison page, and DGIndex complained about detecting a bad field order transition. You mentioned that you used different settings for the binary sunset scene - how did you go about encoding the different elements? I'm wondering if you used some sort of MPEG2 editor to combine the shots, and that caused this. I don't know, however, if this would cause any real issue with playback.

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I don't think it will affect playback.  Lee did mention having a problem with varying frame counts while he was editing, so I was thinking of running it through DGIndex myself.

I did have to mount the ISO with Virtual Clone Drive and extract the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders in order to burn the DVD.  There was no provision for a layer break.

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Moth3r said:
I got the chance to scan through your SW disc the other day.

While you've made some very interesting choices wrt the colour grading, personally I wouldn't choose to watch SW this way. My main issue is the brightness; it's almost as though you've attempted to match the photos taken of the screening exactly, even those that are obviously overexposed.

Also, I was grabbing some screenshots to put up on my Custom DVD comparison page, and DGIndex complained about detecting a bad field order transition. You mentioned that you used different settings for the binary sunset scene - how did you go about encoding the different elements? I'm wondering if you used some sort of MPEG2 editor to combine the shots, and that caused this. I don't know, however, if this would cause any real issue with playback.
Thanks for the feedback Moth3r. :)

I have to say for me working in 23.976fps was a nightmare, I started off by using DGIndex with force film checked to create a D2V file from a copy of the NTSC GOUT DVD on my HDD. DGIndex reported one frame-count I then used VirtualDub to open G-Forces AviSynth script which I had modified (Removed Levels & Hue Commands as well as adjusting the NNEDI2, Crop, Spline16Resize & AddBorders Commands to upscale to 2048x1152)

This was where I started to get a headache as VirtualDub reported a different frame-count to DGIndex! I tried re-creating the D2V file but this didn't fix the problem, so I went ahead and exported the AVI using HuffYUV and Fast Re-compress. I then imported the AVI into Final Cut Pro which once again reported a different frame-count. I used Final Cut Pro to export the AVI as a QuickTime Movie using the Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) Codec.

I then imported this QuickTime Movie into a Final Cut Pro timeline put in some cuts and then used the "Send To" option to send the timeline to Apple Color which I used to apply the colour grading. I rendered the Colour Grading in Color. I then used the "Send To" option in Apple Color to send the colour corrected timeline back to Final Cut Pro. I then shared the timeline from Final Cut Pro to Compressor which I used to export a QuickTime Movie using the ApplePro Res 422 (HQ) codec and downscaling from 2048x11152 to anamorphic 720x576 (1024x576 actual). I then used Compressor to create the M2V file from this QuickTime Movie.

I have not had any of these framecount issues when using DGIndex & AviSynth/VirtualDub on several 25fps DVDs. Perhaps I have missed something in either DGIndex or VirtualDub/Avisynth any advice as always would be welcome and appreciated! :)

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Moth3r, do you have any screenshots you can share?

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I ran a little experiment with regards to the frame count mismatching and here is what I got

PgcDemux read the NTSC GOUT DVD of Star Wars as 174262 frames
DGIndex read the m2v file PgcDemux created as 174261 frames
VirtualDub via AviSynth read the d2v file DGIndex created as 174258 frames

PgcDemux read the NTSC GOUT DVD of The Empire Strikes Back as 179669 frames
DGIndex read the m2v file PgcDemux created as 179671 frames
VirtualDub via AviSynth read the d2v file DGIndex created as 179668 frames

PgcDemux read the PAL GOUT DVD of Return of the Jedi as 189451 frames
DGIndex read the m2v file PgcDemux created as 189451 frames
I have yet to open the d2v file DGIndex created using VirtualDub / AviSynth.

Is the small variation in frame count normal when working with NTSC material or have I missed something?

My settings for PgcDemux are:

Input IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO from NTSC GOUT DVD Rip
Mode - by PGC
Options - Demux video stream CHECKED
Demux audio streams CHECKED
Demux subpic streams CHECKED
Create CellTimes.txt CHECKED
Include end time UNCHECKED
Create Logfile UNCHECKED
Create a PGC VOB UNCHECKED
PGC Selection: Titles
PGC # 01 --> 02:01:00:22 SELECTED

In DGIndex the only setting I have changed from the default is:

Video -> Field Operation -> Forced Film CHECKED (For the two NTSC DVDs)

In VirtualDub the only settings I have changed from the default is:

Video -> Fast Recompress CHECKED
Video -> Compression -> Huffyuv

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