Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 291

^Amazing Vid!

    I forgot to add something to the interweave thing. In the remake outline, I used some old screenwriting techniques. Breaking exposition into two blocks and seperating them in time, and back and forth between exposition and something else. GL built 'AmGraf' around variations of those methods.

   Anyway, initially I thought to have Leia duck out at the start and interweave that with 3PO's tale. Ben could be placed at the end, or vice-versa. I don't know what would be best for a fan-edit. Both?

   I wouldn't have a clue how to proceed at this point, or at all, without the stunning work done here and on the 005 blog. I made a point of avoiding "Technical stuff."

   Next on the list, the fleet briefing. I don't know exactly what has been proposed before. I can be precise about my concerns and what might be done about them. I like the hokey, a little over the top expressions and dialogue in the OT. Then there is behavior that is light-years beyond the way any human being would react. If my best friend, and then the woman I love more than anything in the galaxy, told me they were coming along on a suicide mission, the very last words to describe my expression would be "Goofy grin ;)." It seems like the WWII British and American propoganda features. It also kills the tension they built with "Suicide Mission."

    If, after Chewie volunteers, cut away the frame before Han starts to smile (draw out if nec.) cut back in with Leia's "General..." cut out the frame before Han grins (draw out last frames if nec.) then Luke. No grinning.

    It's been mentioned before that Lando-Han is too hokey. Maybe cut out "Your the...." so it looks like Lando's reacting to "I ain't..."? (I hope I'm not repeating exactly) 

   I thought about things for ANH and ESB. Most could only be achieved in a remake. Anyway, there's ANH:R, and ESB:R is on the way- What's the rush? :)

new video edit of rotj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQggJXUOUNg

i never liked how endor looked.  the scenery and colors felt so dull and uniteresting

with the help of color correction and background replacement, i think i may have given endor some life now

i also changed chewie bow laser to green to look tie it in to other source materials that depict the wookies weapons with green laser.

if you look hard enough you may notice something different try and guess what it is (it is a test to see if it can be done in other scenes)

so please some comments and criticisms on the work

In ROTJ when Shuttle Tyderium starts it's descent to Endor, the music and editing don't match when it changes to Vader looking out the window.  That's always kinda bugged me and I hope one of you editors fix it.  Sorry if it's already been addressed.

A bit of a non-serious (and off-topic) post. But I thought I should share this with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8b1zPE0-Y

   It looks like I missed my show. I wanted to catch an old smokey noir pic based upon 'THE CATCHER IN THE RYE'. I was going to see if it was an influence upon the OT.

    I better finish up ROTJ and ESB instead.

    Snootles! They took that simple form, went to work, and when we got our ALF back she was great animation. The only part I don't care for is when the muppet jumps forward and tries to swallow the camera. Maybe stay on Jabba or the singers to cover that bit?

    In the ROTJ star battle, I was interested in creating a sense of great peril for our main characters. I imagined interior shots of the Bothan spy ship and dialogue like: ENGINEER "HYPERDRIVE IS BEYOND REPAIR!" COMMS "INFORMATION IS ENCODED!" CAPTAIN "TRANSMIT NOW!" Then the ship is destroyed. Just something to make us care about their struggle-But not too much. That would require building a bridge and maybe part of an engineering section to LFL '82 production values and hiring a crew of actors. I see fan-editors are doing some wild things- So I thought I'd just throw that out there :) 

    In the ESB star battle, 'Great damage and then jump to hyperspace with a SD jumping after it' was the original "Fate Unknown." I think it could work either way.

    The ESB rad edits: Cobble some Fisher audio and pipe it over Luke's scout comm to show her having concern for Luke at the outset. Something like "It will be dark soon Luke, hurry back."       Take a cut from 'The closing of the doors', change the lighting and background somewhat to show Leia gazing at Luke's speeder launch.           Take a cut from first sight of the CC where Leia is looking up from a console, change some elements and show Leia reacting to Luke's name being called over the comms during the walker battle.            If usable 'Cloud City Lounge' shots of Han and Leia expressing concern for Luke become available....     Heck, at this point, I'd settle for "Hey Luke, your shoe's untied." (I was floating my more "tame" trial balloons back in the ESB:R thread. Sorry 'bout that 8-/ )

      About my last post in the ESB:R thread,  I had the sense that I was communicating with a few serious fan-edit types. People who would immediately and fully comprehend my meaning in "Kersh is truly brilliant." I'd want any casual passing viewers to understand my comprehension. I know that creating such an exquisite masterwork, the greatest monochromatic film ever shot in full color, to make it so deeply moving without giving it a conclusion, to craft it so it can stand alone....

    I was trying to make everyone happy in this thread. It seems like people here are divided into camps in ways I can't begin to understand. 'SPLINTER' is about all I know of the EU. I was trying to respond to various posts, in kind, to deal with the concerns of others. I know what it means to have favorite icons and sequences. If I stepped on any toes, it was only because I was moving in great darkness, very early in the morning or when I was rushed, and with no idea where the toes were. Sincerest apologies!

    Thank you for all you are doing for the films I loved so much when I was young!

    BEST WISHES AND MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU :)                     

I think my head just asploded.

thejediknighthusezni, no offense, but your post was really hard to read.

Crap, my headache's back.

Did you do that yourself or is it from one of those game things you young people play?

Have you tried putting the people in there?

Monroville said:

Maybe the original concept with the laser disc in the center of the equator (instead of right above it) could be used:

Hehe I remember the first time I saw Mimas in an astronomy book I couldn't get over how much the Death Star looked like it. I think the firing disc being on the equator for DSII would be great, not just for variation, but it would also look more like a dedicated weapon to me.

It's very nice, but how would you integrate it into the live action shots? I always hated the briefing room scene once the lights come up, it just smacks of Jedi's lack of creativity and style.

Here's an easy edit that could help the believability aspect of the ewoks helping to defeat the stormtroopers in ROTJ.

Check out this dialogue tweak I just made.... http://www.zshare.net/audio/8258809178746cba/

Basically I subtly altered Palpatine's dialogue so that instead of boasting and exclaiming "an ENTIRE legion of my BEST troops awaits them" he instead simply says "a legion of my troops awaits them".

To me this change still gets the same frightening / threatening point across however the viewer no longer expects to see some awesome killer stormtroopers in action. Also, the point is no longer stressed that the troops are "the best" which they clearly aren't.

One of the problems I've always had with RotJ is Endor. It was shot in a national park, and it kinda' shows. There doesn't seem to be anything threatening about it as an environment. Even Luke's old home, Tatooine, has the potential to be more threatening. Although it looks quite creepy at the landing platform with Vader at night, the rest of the time it seems as though the rebels are a hiking team rather than people infiltrating a strange world.

There must be some way to make it seem like the kind of exotic environment we're used to seeing in Star Wars - maybe a fog effect could be used or a shot of a very distant canopy, emphasising unearthly massive trees, which then pans down to show the rebels.

Any other ideas?

I am reminded of the end shot of Deep Rising when the trees of Skull Island (joke) are being pushed apart by some unseen giant creature.

If strange animal noises were added to sound mix the audience may be lead to believe there are all manner of unseen giant creatures which may pay off if someone did manage to get the AT-AT to stomp through the forest convincingly.

Bingowings said:

If strange animal noises were added to sound mix the audience may be lead to believe there are all manner of unseen giant creatures which may pay off if someone did manage to get the AT-AT to stomp through the forest convincingly.

Really good idea.

You wouldn't even have to show anything. But so far we have this forest moon on which only Ewoks live, apparently. It's incredible, the lack of imagination that went into Jedi. There is no whimsical detail anywhere on Endor.