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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 78

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AOTC is much worse than TPM. Menace at least had the duel. Clones was blurry, spent too much time on a romance between actors with no chemistry and the climax was a giant CGI battle where both sides were robots. Yawn.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

AOTC is much worse than TPM. Menace at least had the duel. Clones was blurry, spent too much time on a romance between actors with no chemistry and the climax was a giant CGI battle where both sides were robots. Yawn.

Really it’s arguing over which shit stinks worse. At the end of the day both are shit.

For me it all comes down to whether cringey love scenes or cringey child acting/Jar Jar bothers you more. Usually, I give the edge to the latter. The fact that TPM was the biggest letdown in cinematic history pushes it over the edge to be the absolute worst in my opinion. That it includes scenes of a toddler Darth Vader asking his future lover questions like “Are you an angel?”, shouting “Yippee!”, and accidentally blowing up a battle station with his “spinning” trick doesn’t help either. TPM arguably has a higher high in the duel, but there is nothing lower than that shit, and even the duel is ruined by the fact that it is inter-spliced with those terrible scenes, plus the Gungan battle on top of that. At least the CGI battle in AOTC somewhat impressed me at the time, and there wasn’t quite as much shit going on at once. I’ll also take angsty teenage Vader over annoying child Vader, though it’s close.

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TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

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Alderaan said:

TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

I was watching Minority Report the other day, and when I saw the factory scene I immediately thought of AOTC. Minority Report came out the same year as AOTC, and was also scored by Williams. They both feature gravity guns, arm entrapment, and a death fakeout shot, yet the difference in quality between these two scenes is dizzying.
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Alderaan said:

TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

The fact that it was shot on film doesn’t really matter to me. If anything it just makes the poorly aged CGI stand out more. And Yoda flying around like a monkey is less offensive than kiddie Vader to me. The legacy of both characters from the originals is basically destroyed, but it’s far worse in the latter case as far as I’m concerned. At least the fact that Yoda was a “great warrior” leaves open the possibility that he fought like that; the Anakin in TPM was sure as fuck not the “best star pilot in the galaxy” described by Obi-Wan.

Also nothing in the factory sequence is any worse than the childish toilet humor prevalent throughout TPM. Humor is not literally derived from Jar Jar Binks stepping in shit.

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Everyone is making good points right now regarding TPM vs AOTC, on both sides. Which just goes to show there is no winner in that battle, only less of a loser.

TPM is my favorite prequel but that’s saying barely anything.

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darthrush said:

imperialscum said:

ray_afraid said:

Ryan-SWI said:

darthrush said:

…get annoyed when users revert to childish behavior and mock people who like the Disney films. They are not policing people who disagree with them.

You mean like reverting to childish behaviour and mocking people for liking the prequels?
I would enjoy knowing why it’s okay for some people to be childish and mock people for their differing opinions, but not vice versa. I’d also like to know which lame justification I’ll get this time.
There are a lot of double standards here but I think the “you can’t disagree with me but I can disagree with you, and in turn mock you” may be the biggest one.
There’s not one sole perpetrator but the irony of arguments like these surely can’t be lost on everyone.

Nobody here is going to PrequelTrilogy dot com to bash the PT. If you want a place to discuss your PT love, maybe OriginalTrilogy dot com isn’t the best place.
Keep in mind that the only uniting thread we all share here is a love of the Original Trilogy. Don’t expect people to share or respect your opinion of anything else, but you are free to have whatever opinions your have on any subject. And everybody is free to state their disagreement and engage in debate.

Sorry Ray but this a very poor argument. If you follow your argument, the same could be said for TFA lovers: “If they want a place to discuss their TFA love, maybe OriginalTrilogy dot com isn’t the best place”.

There should not be double standards when it comes to PT lovers and TFA lovers.

I actually have to agree with impscum here. The argument that you shouldn’t express your PT love here because of the website tile is pretty weak.

That’s not what I said at all.
I’m just saying you shouldn’t except everybody on OriginalTrilogy dot com to agree with anything other than love of the OT. All aspects of Star Wars are discussed here, and that’s great. But if most people you’re talking to hate the PT, you shouldn’t be surprised when they say so.

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Don’t know if I’ve hung my hat in here yet, so here goes:

  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars
  3. Return of the Jedi
  4. The Force Awakens
  1. The Phantom Menace
  1. Revenge of the Sith
  1. Attack of the Clones

Haven’t seen Rogue One yet, so I can’t place it. My best guess is that it’d probably land between 4 and 5.

As for the prequels…yeah, I think TPM is the best out of the three, purely for technical reasons. It was shot on film, used practical effects in conjunction with CGI instead of purely CGI, and, at least pre-bluray DNR and digital destruction, it was a pretty film to look at. If you just shut your brain off, ignore the dialogue, and only pay attention to what’s on screen, aside from the CG characters, it is a visually enjoyable film.

Then again, I haven’t actually watched the movie in like 6 years after loosing the DVD and I don’t own it on Bluray, so I could just be blowing a bunch of smoke for all I know.

What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?

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Now that I’ve finally seen R1 …

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars
  3. Rogue One
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Return of the Jedi
  6. Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure
  7. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
  8. The Clone Wars
  9. The Phantom Menace
  10. The Star Wars Holiday Special
  11. Attack of the Clones
  12. Revenge of the Sith
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With the hype building for these past few months how do you feel about the Vader slaughtering scene?

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Same here as it’s something I wanted to see since I was a wee lad.

Also Vader looks pretty badass in Black & White and so does the all white saber. I love the contrast a lot and I can’t wait to see what Degobah looks like in Black & White.

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TV’s Frink said:

Everyone is making good points right now regarding TPM vs AOTC, on both sides. Which just goes to show there is no winner in that battle, only less of a loser.

TPM is my favorite prequel but that’s saying barely anything.

Oh… you used the word “favorite” with a Prequel. Are you ill?

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Density said:

Alderaan said:

TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

The fact that it was shot on film doesn’t really matter to me. If anything it just makes the poorly aged CGI stand out more. And Yoda flying around like a monkey is less offensive than kiddie Vader to me. The legacy of both characters from the originals is basically destroyed, but it’s far worse in the latter case as far as I’m concerned. At least the fact that Yoda was a “great warrior” leaves open the possibility that he fought like that; the Anakin in TPM was sure as fuck not the “best star pilot in the galaxy” described by Obi-Wan.

Also nothing in the factory sequence is any worse than the childish toilet humor prevalent throughout TPM. Humor is not literally derived from Jar Jar Binks stepping in shit.

For Anakin’s skills in TPM as referenced in the OT, you have to go to ROTJ where Kenobi said that Anakin was already a good pilot when they met. He didn’t become “the best star pilot in the galaxy” until later and his flying skills in ATOC and ROTS are impressive enough to meet that requirement - especially coming from someone who hates flying.

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I have not decided yet if Rogue One comes up to the OT in quality. It far exceeds the quality of the other four movies so for now I am putting it between the OT and PT in ranking. And I have become increasingly annoyed with the starfield in The Force Awakens so my opinion of it continues to be bad. I think I can partially forgive Lucas for some of his gaffs in the PT because he gave us the OT. But I cannot forgive Abrams for what he did to Star Trek and so the flaws of TFA are far more glaring to me and highly annoy me to a greater extent. My opinion may change depending on how TLJ and IX are. But not yet. Rogue one just has proven how bad TFA really is.

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yotsuya said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone is making good points right now regarding TPM vs AOTC, on both sides. Which just goes to show there is no winner in that battle, only less of a loser.

TPM is my favorite prequel but that’s saying barely anything.

Oh… you used the word “favorite” with a Prequel. Are you ill?

Oh…are you a doctor?

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yotsuya said:

And I have become increasingly annoyed with the starfield in The Force Awakens so my opinion of it continues to be bad.

Sounds reasonable.

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ray_afraid said:

yotsuya said:

Rogue one just has proven how bad TFA really is.

I didn’t care much for TFA, but how has R1 “proven” it to be bad?
I hope that doesn’t sound condescending or whatever, I know how these things can read in the current mood of the forum, I’m just curious.

It had the right star field, duh (the true measure of a film’s quality).

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ray_afraid said:

I know how these things can read in the current mood of the forum

Current mood ranges from grumpy

to furious.

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My current rankings for my preferred watchable versions of the films are:

  1. Star Wars (Despecialized)
  2. Rogue One
  3. Revenge of the Sith (Q2 edit)
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Return of the Jedi (Despecialized)
  6. The Empire Strikes Back (Despecialized)
  7. Attack of the Clones (Q2 edit)
  8. The Phantom Menace (Q2 edit)

Now, that isn’t on a scale of amazing to horrible. I actually feel that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are decent films if edited properly. And I have to put Q2’s Revenge of the Sith near the top of my list because I’ve watched it so many many times when I needed my Star Wars fix and so often picked that to watch of my then-six choices.

The reason why Sith bumps out Awakens at present is due to TFA being a standalone film that–on its own–is derivative and fan-service-y. Hal’s “Gentle Restructure” edit helps that though and might push it above ROTS soon after Hal fixes certain issues v1.0 has. Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.

My all-time ranking of the official releases (past and present) are:

.1. Rogue One
.2. Return of the Jedi (1983)
.3. The Force Awakens
.4. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
.5. Star Wars (1977)
.6. The Empire Strikes Back (Special Edition)
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.9. Revenge of the Sith
.10. Star Wars (Special Edition)
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.1138. Return of the Jedi (Special Edition)
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.2187. The Phantom Menace
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.3263827. Attack of the Clones

with the bottom three listed being eye-rollingly, butt-numbingly, unwatchably awful.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I know we’re supposed to respect all opinions but any list that has ROTS #3 and ESB #6 has some serious problems. I don’t care if it’s allowing for a fanedited ROTS or not.