Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Just watched the 35mm version, and it was great! I really hope they can get the other print scanned so that it can be filled in, cleaned and polished.
What is the difference between that and the original? I could have sworn there were screenings of TFA that were in 35mm.
That is the original. A scan of a 1982 35mm LPP was done and was released on the spleen. None of the digital home video releases to this date represent the original version of the film.
I don’t know what you mean by “represent[ing] the original version of the film,” but a 35 year-old LPP can’t be too trustworthy either, unless there are special-edition-like changes on the blu-ray of Raiders of the Lost Ark that I’m unaware of. Supposedly the reflection of the snake has been touched up, but I see no reason to watch a beat-up film print over the pristine blu ray copy for that alone.
The reflections on the glass in the snake scene have been digitally removed, and a light that was off has been digitally turned on at the end of the film. Not to mention the horrible DNR done to the BD. Over all, I would never call the official BD a pristine copy.
Spielberg claims that the coloring on the blu ray is closer to the theatrical look, and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt now that he’s denounced the ET changes.
He lied. The BD has a rather disgusting looking orange filter, and also has a lot of highlights that are blown out and then dulled.
It looks terrible, and I refuse to watch it that way.
EDIT: And why wouldn’t the LPP be trustworthy? Do you even know what an LPP is? The color on that print is still intact with minimal anomalies.
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Spielberg claims that the coloring on the blu ray is closer to the theatrical look, and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt now that he’s denounced the ET changes.
He lied.
I’m sure it was a lie with malicious intent, with the sole purpose of destroying the integrity of a classic film. By the way, you don’t know what the theatrical look of the film was.
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Spielberg claims that the coloring on the blu ray is closer to the theatrical look, and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt now that he’s denounced the ET changes.
He lied.
I’m sure it was a lie with malicious intent, with the sole purpose of destroying the integrity of a classic film.
Yeah, I seriously doubt that. Do you think that was Georges intent with the SE’s?
By the way, you don’t know what the theatrical look of the film was.
EDIT: And why wouldn’t the LPP be trustworthy? Do you even know what an LPP is? The color on that print is still intact with minimal anomalies.
Even accounting for variances in color between different prints, that print shows extreme differences from the BD color timing.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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The DNR isn’t that bad, save for a few shots (like the sunset where everyone’s digging and Indy’s just walking around). As for the touched up reflection, that’s not an SE level change. That would be if the SE only changed that one shot where Obi-Wan’s lightsaber flickered and nothing else.
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There’s an attitude of all changes being a crime against culture on this forum. A flickering light and a snake reflection in a total of about 60 frames is an unreasonable justification for illegally downloading a 25 gb file of the exact same movie. I can see being irritated by the colors, but my point was that Dek saying Spielberg is a liar is ridiculous when he doesn’t know what the theatrical colors actually were, especially since not all prints are exactly the same.
The Person in Question
I never mentioned the level of taste the digital alterations were on. The fact that there are digital changes made to the original film is a problem no matter how insignificant they are. And I’d say the light is an SE level change, because it’s so incredibly pointless and very noticeable. And the DNR is bad enough to remove visible detail in the image.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
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I also just prefer the way theatrical prints look over what most official digital releases are.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
There’s an attitude of all changes being a crime against culture on this forum. A flickering light and a snake reflection in a total of about 60 frames is an unreasonable justification for illegally downloading a 25 gb file of the exact same movie. I can see being irritated by the colors, but my point was that Dek saying Spielberg is a liar is ridiculous when he doesn’t know what the theatrical colors actually were, especially since not all prints are exactly the same.
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The fact that there are digital changes made to the original film is a problem no matter how insignificant they are.
Maybe, I’m not sure how I feel about that.
And I’d say the light is an SE level change, because it’s so incredibly pointless and very noticeable.
I doubt it’s noticeable since I’ve watched it at least 150 times on VHS, DVD, and blu-ray since I saw it 20 years ago and didn’t notice it. I also haven’t seen a complaint about it until now. Unless Spielberg added a CGI termite singing a pop song during Indy and Marion’s love seen, I wouldn’t call it an SE change. Also, (and I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about, so I’m probably wrong) the light could’ve easily been a mistake in the previous versions. You really don’t know. It’s just like how their are dozens of different audio mixes for the first Star Wars movie. There isn’t an original version.
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There’s an attitude of all changes being a crime against culture on this forum. A flickering light and a snake reflection in a total of about 60 frames is an unreasonable justification for illegally downloading a 25 gb file of the exact same movie. I can see being irritated by the colors, but my point was that Dek saying Spielberg is a liar is ridiculous when he doesn’t know what the theatrical colors actually were, especially since not all prints are exactly the same.
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Ha! I know.
I should add that I don’t want anything to be fixed in these movies, I just don’t think that a touched of reflection warrants uploading and downloading copyrighted material in the same way the SE’s do, seeing as how those are essentially different movies.
The Person in Question
Dek said:
COLARS. COLARS. COLARS.
Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.
I don’t hate the film at all, but most of my complaints stem from the bleakness of it. It’s a downright paranoid film about how the utopian Federation is actually super corrupt and menacing because it’s secretly run by the Illuminati (Section 31). It’s a decent space-action movie.
The fact that Section 31 was part of the basic story was most cool. DS9 gave a real face to Section 31 so for me it was great to see Starfleet being just as bad as the bad guy.
Glad we have experts around here like Dek to call Spielberg on his bullshit. I mean seriously, what does that guy know about Raiders of the Lost Ark anyway?
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) – A
Just wonderful. And a great release by Criterion, too.
My absolute favorite Kubrick flick of all time. I’m dying to get the Criterion release. Maybe on my next pay day.
Glad we have experts around here like Dek to call Spielberg on his bullshit. I mean seriously, what does that guy know about Raiders of the Lost Ark anyway?
Exactly. I don’t mind just not liking the blu-ray, but it was the accusation of lying that seemed inappropriate to me.
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The Bourne Supremacy - 6/10
Unbelievable.
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The Bourne Supremacy - 6/10
Unbelievable.
I dunno why but this made me laugh.
Like Smithers was just totally incredulous upon reading that review.
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Kill Bill Vol. 2 9/10
So much different than volume one but still just as good! As Tarantino said: “Volume One poses the questions and Volume Two gives you the answers”. Check them both out!
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Glad we have experts around here like Dek to call Spielberg on his bullshit. I mean seriously, what does that guy know about Raiders of the Lost Ark anyway?
Exactly. I don’t mind just not liking the blu-ray, but it was the accusation of lying that seemed inappropriate to me.
Okay, for the record, the use of lied was a mistake, because that conveyed something that wasn’t my intent. I merely meant that what he said regarding the color timing on the BD was misleading. Was he knowingly deceiving? How should I know? I have no idea how the BD master was made.
For all I know Spielberg just had whoever it is that works on Paramount’s restorations do the thing with with little outside direction from himself; then they finish it, he glances at it, and gives an OK. On the other hand, he could have been working personally with the color timing the whole time and used his 35 year old memory of how he wanted the color in each shot to look, rather than a proper reference. Or he really could have just given it revisionist color biases on purpose and said it reflected the original color without knowing or even caring about any inaccuracies.
But to say that a man’s word with no proof of truth is better taken over actual proof, then I guess I’ll just drop out of this discussion.
Oh, and again…
And why wouldn’t the LPP be trustworthy? Do you even know what an LPP is? The color on that print is still intact with minimal anomalies.
Even accounting for variances in color between different prints, that print shows extreme differences from the BD color timing.
EDIT: And I’d like to apologize if I’ve acted like a “know it all”.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
For the record, I think this entire forum has an enormous stick up its ass about authenticity in color timing. Also for the record, I haven’t actually seen any of the Indy blu-rays, so if they’re actually full-blown ugly I guess that’s a legit problem.
For the record, I think this entire forum has an enormous stick up its ass about authenticity in color timing. Also for the record, I haven’t actually seen any of the Indy blu-rays, so if they’re actually full-blown ugly I guess that’s a legit problem.
Raiders is the one with the controversial color timing. It’s a matter of opinion whether it looks ugly or not; I think it’s fine. The other two don’t look much different than the DVDs as far as color goes.
I agree with you on the color stuff on this forum.
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I honestly don’t even care about the colors on the star wars blu rays, they look fine to me. The only thing that bothers me about the picture on them is that the contrast needs a bump up. (For reference notice that the lightsaber cores are sometimes not completely white like they are on older transfers.)
For my own personal viewing I use a version I cooked up myself using the blu rays video with boosted contrast then edited to the theatrical cuts timing and runtime but keeping the new visuals.
Also for some shots I Use telecines versions of the blu rays with re-rotoscoped lightsaber blades and lasers, and a few other fixes. (Can’t believe those didn’t get more attention He did the whole trilogy in full 1080p hd quality. I mean it’s not like on the level of detail as adywans but it fixes the more obvious flaws and he did the whole trilogy.)
The Star Wars colors look a little off to me but my sole complaint regarding the Star Wars blu rays is that they’re the Special Editions.
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Surely, there must be a side by side comparison somewhere between the 35mm and the Blu Ray?
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Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Just watched the 35mm version, and it was great! I really hope they can get the other print scanned so that it can be filled in, cleaned and polished.
What is the difference between that and the original? I could have sworn there were screenings of TFA that were in 35mm.
That is the original. A scan of a 1982 35mm LPP was done and was released on the spleen. None of the digital home video releases to this date represent the original version of the film.
I definitely see why someone would covet this. It’s like owning the original Mona Lisa or Girl With A Pearl Earring.
EDIT: Also, what on Earth does TFA having a 35mm release have anything to do with a film from 1981?
Because if memory serves TFA and the 35mm version of Raiders is of the same print/scan and that was the first time I had ever heard of a 35mm film.
