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ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

For the cryptographers among you… a SW thought so random, it doesn’t even appear to relate to SW at first.

By way of explanation I should note that this matrix is actually rather interesting, given its apparent subject: clothing as plot. Or rather, costume design as foreshadowing.

As Doc Brown likes to say, the future isn’t written.

An explanation of the labels:

The X-axis represents Luke’s relationship with Vader; namely, is Darth Vader his father (ie, his real father, not Annikin Skywalker) or his elder brother?

The Y-axis represents the nature of Luke’s relationship with Leia: Incestuous, Not Incestuous, or she’s Dead by the end of ROTJ.

As for the various cultural allusions: they’re notes to John Mollo for the middle section of Star Wars, circa 1975.

You ok my friend?

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Lord Haseo said:

Don’t waste your time. The films are the only Star Wars related thing that Frink will indulge in.

Not true, I read the Thrawn trilogy (and some laughably bad Jedi Academy thing) years ago, and I watched about half of the first season of The Clone Wars…I even own the Cartoon Network Clone Wars DVDs.

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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Don’t waste your time. The films are the only Star Wars related thing that Frink will indulge in.

Not true, I read the Thrawn trilogy (and some laughably bad Jedi Academy thing) years ago, and I watched about half of the first season of The Clone Wars…I even own the Cartoon Network Clone Wars DVDs.

Interesting. What did you think of the Thrawn Trilogy?

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TV’s Frink said:

ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

For the cryptographers among you… a SW thought so random, it doesn’t even appear to relate to SW at first.

By way of explanation I should note that this matrix is actually rather interesting, given its apparent subject: clothing as plot. Or rather, costume design as foreshadowing.

As Doc Brown likes to say, the future isn’t written.

An explanation of the labels:

The X-axis represents Luke’s relationship with Vader; namely, is Darth Vader his father (ie, his real father, not Annikin Skywalker) or his elder brother?

The Y-axis represents the nature of Luke’s relationship with Leia: Incestuous, Not Incestuous, or she’s Dead by the end of ROTJ.

As for the various cultural allusions: they’re notes to John Mollo for the middle section of Star Wars, circa 1975.

You ok my friend?

Fine, I’m fine.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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TV’s Frink said:

I liked it.

Damn. Then what’s stopping you from delving into other EU material? There’s so much good stuff out there man.

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Thrawn was really the only EU character I’d hoped would make the leap to the new canon. Someone like Mara Jade is so inextricably tied up in a version of the film characters’ story that’s become completely incompatible with where the films are going that in order to get her into the new canon her role would need to be altered to the point where it might as well be a new character. Thrawn, in contrast, is pretty easy to port over. I think his characterization was more important than his narrative arc, so I think dropping him into some new situation in the current canon is going to work out fine (whereas, for example, Kyle Katarn doesn’t have much reason to be there with the Rogue One crew around to steal the Death Star plans). Thrawn did get to be over-the-top by the end of his trilogy, but I think that was more symptomatic of the style of the Bantam-era EU than anything inherent to the character himself. I’m very excited to see what they do with him in the context of a new EU that’s actually being managed by the LFL story group to some degree.

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Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I liked it.

Damn. Then what’s stopping you from delving into other EU material? There’s so much good stuff out there man.

It was like 15 years ago.

When you get older, when you have kids, free time gets rarer and thus more valuable. I have too many other things I want to spend it on ahead of anything EU related.

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joefavs said:

I think his characterization was more important than his narrative arc, so I think dropping him into some new situation in the current canon is going to work out fine (whereas, for example, Kyle Katarn doesn’t have much reason to be there with the Rogue One crew around to steal the Death Star plans).

Luckily Kyle isn’t too intrinsically tied to the theft of the Death Star plans. He’s certainly known for it but in reality it’s just the easy introductory level to his first game. It’s completely separate from the plot of the rest of the game and his character arc. But that does bring up another point.

Whereas the Death Star plans aren’t that important to Kyle’s story, Dark Troopers most certainly are. And they make an appearance in Rebels this season. It would behoove them to cameo Kyle in some capacity for however long the Dark Troopers play a part this season. Given the huge internet reaction to the now sadly disproven theory that Rogue One was secretly a Jan Ors movie, they really ought to take that into consideration and bring the pair of them into the canon sooner than later.

And personally, I’d be perfectly happy with Kyle sticking to his original mercenary roots and leaving his force wielding days behind to Legends.

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So on the rogue one spoiler thread somebody posted the celbration exclusive posters for TFA. As I had not been to Celebration events, I didn’t see them until now. And I figured here was a better place to talk about the TFA posters than on the RO thread.

for reference, this is the specific poster I’m referring to, but there is another.

I kind of wish this was the official theatrical poster. It fits the art style of the other Star Wars posters better than the one we ended up getting as the official poster.

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It’s slightly better. The only thing that puts it on top is that it doesn’t have Starkiller Base on it. I even hate looking at that thing.

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I don’t get what’s so bad about the TFA poster and Starkiller Base.

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TFA Poster:

  1. No Luke
  2. Starkiller Base (not so much the visual but the reminder that Starkiller Base is actually in the film

Starkiller Base:

  1. The most overt rehash in TFA
  2. Even though it’s the size of the planet our characters move through it like a small base (which admittedly is a problem with the 1st Death Star too)
  3. Felt like a lazy plot device to destroy the Hosnian System
  4. Didn’t feel as threatening as either Death Stars
  5. It’s able to fire beams that travel through hyperspace
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The weapon is the size of a planet, but the reactor thingy that needs to be blown up is in fact just a small base.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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Lord Haseo said:

TFA Poster:

  1. No Luke

I feel that that was a good decision. Didn’t want to reveal a turning point of the movie.

  1. Starkiller Base (not so much the visual but the reminder that Starkiller Base is actually in the film

Starkiller Base:

  1. The most overt rehash in TFA

I don’t really care about this.

  1. Even though it’s the size of the planet our characters move through it like a small base (which admittedly is a problem with the 1st Death Star too)
  2. Felt like a lazy plot device to destroy the Hosnian System
  3. Didn’t feel as threatening as either Death Stars
  4. It’s able to fire beams that travel through hyperspace

Agreed.

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Lord Haseo said:

Starkiller Base:

  1. The most overt rehash in TFA
  2. Even though it’s the size of the planet our characters move through it like a small base (which admittedly is a problem with the 1st Death Star too)
  3. Felt like a lazy plot device to destroy the Hosnian System
  4. Didn’t feel as threatening as either Death Stars
  5. It’s able to fire beams that travel through hyperspace

I more or less agree with everything except nr. 5. I’ve never understood why science should be that important. We are after all talking about a series that gave us this.

Frank also has a good point about the base on Starkiller being smaller than the actual “canon”. Also Starkiller is mostly just a planet with a few bases scattered on it, and a large trench housing the canon. All in all it has roughly the same amount of technology as the two Death Star’s had, only stretched out over a whole planet.
Also the abilities to move about the DS on foot, and Starkiller, is more or less a plot necessity, or at the very least a way to make the plot more “grounded” and interesting. Thrre’s plenty of Sci-fi ways of doing it, but it would have felt slow and boring, and not have had the dynamic action that SW is known for.

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flametitan said:

So on the rogue one spoiler thread somebody posted the celbration exclusive posters for TFA. As I had not been to Celebration events, I didn’t see them until now. And I figured here was a better place to talk about the TFA posters than on the RO thread.

for reference, this is the specific poster I’m referring to, but there is another.

Han looks like he should be shaking a cane and yelling “Git off’a mah lawn! Got’derded kids!”

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yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

TFA Poster:

  1. No Luke

I feel that that was a good decision. Didn’t want to reveal a turning point of the movie.

It was common knowledge that the OT trio were reprising their roles. There was no reason to not have him on the cover

  1. Starkiller Base (not so much the visual but the reminder that Starkiller Base is actually in the film

Starkiller Base:

  1. The most overt rehash in TFA

I don’t really care about this.

In general I don’t care that TFA is a soft remake/reboot but at least a lot of the similarities it has with the OT are remixed or are made to be visual references. Starkiller Base to me seemed like a 3rd Death Star and that’s it.

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I more or less agree with everything except nr. 5. I’ve never understood why science should be that important. We are after all talking about a series that gave us this.

You have a point and funny thing is I don’t care about the Space Whales in Rebels. But Starkiller Base being able to do that would have been easier to swallow if it were in the OT or at least the stepping stones to such technology being in the OT

Frank also has a good point about the base on Starkiller being smaller than the actual “canon”. Also Starkiller is mostly just a planet with a few bases scattered on it, and a large trench housing the canon. All in all it has roughly the same amount of technology as the two Death Star’s had, only stretched out over a whole planet.
Also the abilities to move about the DS on foot, and Starkiller, is more or less a plot necessity, or at the very least a way to make the plot more “grounded” and interesting. Thrre’s plenty of Sci-fi ways of doing it, but it would have felt slow and boring, and not have had the dynamic action that SW is known for.

Makes sense. Also I remember there being elevators in Starkiller Base so that would make it easier to traverse.

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I know for distance traversed there was going to be a deleted scene of them using vehicles to get from point a to point b on SKB (said scene is on the Special features in the official release, as we presumably know)

I don’t see why Hyperspace death rays are shocking, We could simply assume it’s a recalibrated version of the technology used for hyperspace holotransmissions.

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I see this logo from time to time in articles and the like. It vaguely resembles the the SE poster logo for SW (see the W), but it is not the same. Is it a fan made creation? Or was It used in an official capacity by LF at some point?

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

ATMachine said:

For the cryptographers among you… a SW thought so random, it doesn’t even appear to relate to SW at first.

By way of explanation I should note that this matrix is actually rather interesting, given its apparent subject: clothing as plot. Or rather, costume design as foreshadowing.

As Doc Brown likes to say, the future isn’t written.

An explanation of the labels:

The X-axis represents Luke’s relationship with Vader; namely, is Darth Vader his father (ie, his real father, not Annikin Skywalker) or his elder brother?

The Y-axis represents the nature of Luke’s relationship with Leia: Incestuous, Not Incestuous, or she’s Dead by the end of ROTJ.

As for the various cultural allusions: they’re notes to John Mollo for the middle section of Star Wars, circa 1975.

Due to a printer’s error, the above chart was incorrectly arranged. The people responsible have been sacked.

This is how it should have looked:

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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Oh good, I was definitely worried about that.