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What is wrong with... Attack of the Clones? - a general discussion thread — Page 8

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Mavimao said:
The real problem with AOTC is that the idea is sound but is ruined by the execution.

There’s a great story here! But George’s weaknesses in storytelling and direction hamper the whole thing and the execution is lousy.

I do think one shouldn’t nitpick too much with this movie, but unlike other films with glaring plothole issues that you can forgive, AOTC is so boring and badly acted that these plotholes just stare at you like a thousand deer in headlights.

The real problem is that the script was written in like 2 months. It seems George was more occupied with developing the digital cinema thing. (Maybe it’s because his eyesight is getting worse with age but sub-1080p resolution is fit for cinema now?) And not occupied enough with making a good movie.

There were some discussions either on here or on TFN I don’t remember where, about how the plot might have had developed through the early drafts. And there’s some really good ideas in there that coupled with better direction might have made it a good film. But it seems like there just wasn’t time to develop those ideas due to the very short pre-production period. So we got a very simplified and sieve-like version instead.

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HansiG said:

TV’s Frink said:
He posted an image of a weirdly proportioned Han Solo and said it looked like he had Down syndrome. My wife and I lost our first daughter to a similar genetic abnormality, so I took issue with it.

Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay. /b/

If only you were a sock so I could get you banned too.

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eiyosus said:

This is an open letter to all ot.com users:

HansiG said:
Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay. /b/

No, actually. Originaltrilogy.com used to be above this sort of thing.

Hell, even though I’m a lurker I now feel like I need to speak up about what’s happened to this place as of late.

As mentioned elsewhere, there has been an influx of new users over the last few months (over the last year? I dunno. I’m not gonna go clicking on everybody’s account to see when they joined) and a large portion of these new users have some questionable attitudes regarding forum behavior.

Although I want to refrain from sounding like some cranky old man (I’m 34, if anybody is wondering), many of these new users allude to being VERY young when watching the prequel films. I had to google “/b/” and that was a reference to 4chan if I’m not mistaken, which further supports my suspicions (and more and more anime references are being used for user names). There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking what you like (that’s a general use of the word “you” which I feel the need to point out due to the fact that a majority of these new users don’t seem to understand certain things about the nuances of the English language), as long as it’s not harming anybody else, but ot.com was largly comprised of older individuals that conducted themselves a certain way over the many years this forum has been operating.

Ot.com was one of the very few places on the internet both I and others could visit with the knowledge that it would be free of, well, of the things it hasn’t really been free of lately. It’s hard to quantify, but something has been very off for a while, and only seems to be getting worse.

If people like the prequels, that’s fine, but I’m not going to hang out at my parents’ vinyl parties and try to tell them how good streaming albums from youtube is and spew juvenile insults when everybody rightly and justifiably has a problem with my attitude. Would you? Would you go to a gathering of something you didn’t like? Again, you can like the prequels, but you have to expect to meet opposition.

There is a way to discuss things in the world. Everybody has different opinions, which is one of the many things that make the world interesting, but almost every thread seems to be derailed into boring arguments lately. I can get that on IMDB. There’s a difference between interesting discussion and backhanded bickering that goes on for post after post, page after page, and thread after thread. Wars not make one great.

Taste is subjective, but myself and others on this site think that the prequels are objectively bad movies on a fundamental film making level. I love the movie Star Crash, but I’m not going to pretend that 90% of humans would find it horrible. Just because a movie has “Star Wars” in the title doesn’t give it a free pass (just the fact that people are DESPERATE to try to edit them into better movies shows the power of the name (just move on, guys! 😛 )). If somebody tells me Star Crash is shit, who am I to argue? Why let it bother me? It IS a shit movie! How in any way does somebody not agreeing with me give me the right to stoop to some of the language I’ve seen here? Again, not wanting to sound like a cranky old man, but respectable people don’t use the word “retard” or the other related insults a lot of teenagers use as an insult. I’m really sorry, but if that’s what you expect from the internet, this isn’t the forum you’re looking for. Move along.

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

Can we talk about the increase use of the word “fuck?” For the longest time, I thought curse words weren’t even ALLOWED here. Now every other post is fuck this, fuck that, fucking awesome, fucking whatever. I love the word “fuck” and use it on other forums, but long ago on a forum far, far away, when somebody on ot.com used “fuck” you knew they were being FUCKING SERIOUS. Hey, you wanna say fuck and shit and all that, go ahead, but if you took a look around the forums, you would have seen that this language wasn’t used often.

If you took a look around, you could have seen the behavior was different, too. Yeah yeah, it’s the internet, but just fucking behave like you would in real life, please.

This place was AMAZING in it’s film geekyness. The recent discussion about the type of camera lenses used on Rogue One is one fine example of the type of talk that once flooded this board. Many users on this forum have an insane level of film knowledge, but you are lowering the forum’s standards and diluting what was a very unique corner of the net.

Again, this is to nobody in particular. If my message insults you, if you get defensive over what I’ve said, if you think I’m attacking you, if you feel the need to explain yourself, then you know that your behavior is less than stellar. How about improving it? It might be fun!

This is a fucking great post.

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eiyosus said:

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

I am not speaking about the latest incident specifically, but in general Frink has been practising forum rule breaking and disrespectful behaviour as far as I can remember. If you like to call that kind of crap a “sarcastic sense of humour”, at least have the same standard for the users doing the same thing to Frink.

真実

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imperialscum said:

eiyosus said:

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

I am not speaking about the latest incident specifically, but in general Frink has been practising forum rule breaking and disrespectful behaviour as far as I can remember. If you like to call that kind of crap a “sarcastic sense of humour”, at least have the same standard for the users doing the same thing to Frink.

Again, feel free to report the mods to Jay.

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TV’s Frink said:

…report the mods to Jay.

Is something wrong with the mods?

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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As someone who has only been here for approximately two years, I have noticed the decline in respectful behavior. It’s really quite sad.

The Person in Question

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TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

eiyosus said:

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

I am not speaking about the latest incident specifically, but in general Frink has been practising forum rule breaking and disrespectful behaviour as far as I can remember. If you like to call that kind of crap a “sarcastic sense of humour”, at least have the same standard for the users doing the same thing to Frink.

Again, feel free to report the mods to Jay.

I am too intelligent to waste my time on something like that. The mods have seemingly been looking away for years when it comes to your behaviour. If any of them is serious about sanctioning your behaviour, he/she is welcome to conact me via PM and I ll help them with the examples (not that my help is required as anyone can simply check your recent post history, or anyone regular to these forums should be well familiar with it anyway).

真実

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imperialscum said:
I am not speaking about the latest incident specifically, but in general Frink has been practising forum rule breaking and disrespectful behaviour as far as I can remember. If you like to call that kind of crap a “sarcastic sense of humour”, at least have the same standard for the users doing the same thing to Frink.

Frink used to be more humour and less grump.

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There used to be more maturity and sense here.

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Now, I may be but a simple noob (joined Dec. 2015, lurking since a few months before that), but I don’t think Frink has done anything wrong. Even when I’m the one recieving his sarcastic comments, I usually laugh and don’t think much of it. I really don’t get the recent vendetta against him that so many seem to suddenly have.

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imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

eiyosus said:

All the heat that Frink is catching lately is just more proof of the point I’m trying to make. Frink is a long time member and contributor, and has a mean sarcastic sense of humor. An asshole? Really? A lot of users seem to be taking him literally as of late, which was never the case before.

I am not speaking about the latest incident specifically, but in general Frink has been practising forum rule breaking and disrespectful behaviour as far as I can remember. If you like to call that kind of crap a “sarcastic sense of humour”, at least have the same standard for the users doing the same thing to Frink.

Again, feel free to report the mods to Jay.

I am too intelligent to waste my time on something like that. The mods have seemingly been looking away for years when it comes to your behaviour. If any of them is serious about sanctioning your behaviour, he/she is welcome to conact me via PM and I ll help them with the examples (not that my help is required as anyone can simply check your recent post history, or anyone regular to these forums should be well familiar with it anyway).

Dull surprise.

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Where were you in '77?

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Other than making fun of people for their opinions (to which has become common place here) and being nasty toward people who say bigoted/insensitive things Frink doesn’t do any harm.

And this is coming from someone who used to get into it with Frink constantly and still does on occasion.

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Frink doesn’t hasn’t ever played mario party. If that’s not bannable then he may as well just stay

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I believe that some PT fans are upset because of the Disney Era Lucasfilm’s pro OT sentiment. I get that, all OOT fans get that. We lived it for years.

I love that this place is open. We can say X sucked or Y is a terrible actor and not be considered out of line and taken out to the woodshed. You can have divergent opinions, heck one poster here only likes Star Wars 1977! There is no hive-mind like on TFN or the PTAS or numerous other sites of numerous other fandoms. We are very lucky.

As for “offensive” speech? I’m a free speech advocate and can usually let it all roll off. I hate censorship. I have no sympathy for perpetual victims or pearl-clutchers. Open and honest discussion is the best.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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I think framing the backlash from other users when someone’s acting like a dick on the internet as a free speech issue is a little unduly lofty.

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lovelikewinter said:

As for “offensive” speech? I’m a free speech advocate and can usually let it all roll off. I hate censorship. I have no sympathy for perpetual victims or pearl-clutchers. Open and honest discussion is the best.

Yes, a person mocking Down syndrome and accusing me of making up my dead child is definitely the victim.