-Anakin’s journey is Faustian.
Except for the part where it’s terribly done.
No, matter how you might feel about being executed it still was done and your opinion on it is completely subjective.
Is that not the joke?
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For a moment there, I thought swagmasta was back.
The truth is much, much worse.
These snide remarks…too accurate for teenagers. Only experienced trolls are so precise.
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In that case the trolls would still be adults. That can’t be said for more than a couple members here.
Nemesis was just ST trying to be SW. Enterprise was the Trek equivalent of the PT. It constantly contradicts TOS. Archer did everything Kirk did first before Kirk did it. Seriously? These are not good things. I don’t care if Patrick Stewart loves driving dune buggies, it doesn’t belong in Star Trek.
Star Trek Nemesis was a mostly dull remake of The Wrath of Khan.
Star Trek (2009) was more watchable remake of Nemesis with some Enterprise thrown in (temporal cold war changes to the timeline etc). Into Darkness was a laughably awful remake of The Wrath of Khan.
First Contact was a remake of Aliens which was a remake of THEM! 😄
How dare anyone have opinions not exactly in accordance with the hivemind?!
How dare anyone have opinions not exactly in accordance with the hivemind?!
You are welcome to your opinion, but if you think the PT films are good, well made films, your opinion is wrong.
TV’s Frink said:
You are welcome to your opinion, but if you think the PT films are good, well made films, your opinion is wrong.
Maybe not all the prequels, but The Phantom Menace is a good, well made film.
BmB said:
Maybe not all the prequels, but The Phantom Menace is a good, well made film.
It’s a bad film with good intentions. At least Lucas tried with that one unlike AOTC.
TV’s Frink said:
You are welcome to your opinion, but if you think the PT films are good, well made films, your opinion is wrong.Maybe not all the prequels, but The Phantom Menace is a good, well made film.
It’s a better film than the other two, but it’s not even close to being good or well made. Parts are good or well made but the overall result is still poor.
Ah, someone dared to add the Star Trek films to this conversation. Well, I’ll address that first. As individual stories, I think the consensus is that the order of the Star Trek films greatness is II, IV, VI, III and then the rest in any order. However, when you truly examine each one for how closely it matches the original series, V comes out on top. It has the same feeling as many of the original episodes. I is probably the next closest and, prior to the airing of TNG premier and the uncut version of The Cage, is the closest we get to seeing Gene’s real, and very cerebral, vision of Star Trek. II, III, IV, and VI take the best of what NBC infused into Star Trek (the action and military side of things) and made some excellent films, but they aren’t as quintessentially Star Trek as I and V. So, the question in how you rate them is based on whether you rank their overall quality higher or their Trekness higher. Those who ignore the Trekness tend to find I and V to be horrible films not worth watching. Those who think Trekness is the most important would rank them the best. I, and most people I know, like to balance the two and so we find I and V acceptable while acknowledging the superiority of the other 4. The TNG movies are Okay, but they aren’t as good. Generations was the of the Star Trek movies until 2009. The 2009 movie took that title away and then Into Darkness set a bar so high for awful that I don’t think it will ever be beat as the worst Star Trek movie. Abrams writing for Star Trek is a new low that those of us who endure watching the third season of the original series in its entirety thought Star Trek could never reach.
As you can rate the different Star Trek movies based on what you use to judge them, so too you can rate the Star Wars movies similarly depending on what you want to judge them on. SW/ANH comes out bad if you judge things too harshly by modern standards. Those of us who have been watching it for nearly 40 years tend not to see those things. TESB got a bad rap when it first came out, but now many Star Wars fans rank it the best. ROTJ had the Ewoks and for many that was a turn off. For many of us it wasn’t. The SE’s were an attempt to modernize a 20 years old franchise. For most of us the changes were detrimental, though I’ve always found that overall the changes to TESB made it better.
Then the Prequels. I think the people judged fairly making them the best selling of the six films. They are not bad films or they wouldn’t have broken records worldwide. They did not fit with many fans expectation and that tends to color judgement. For anyone who was roughly 10 when any of the PT came out, they are likely to truly appreciate them. Those of us who are older, especially those of us who are original fans who saw Star Wars in the theaters in 1977 (between the various rereleases, I saw it 10 times, including a double feature with Logan’s Run at a drive-in), the Prequels can’t live up to the originals. Not ever.
Then there is the article that started this conversation. For one the man is a demented idiot off the bat. Hating John Williams music is blasphamy. Not only from a Star Wars perspective, but a general movie perspective. If you don’t like Williams, you cannot like the majority of composers or the films they worked no and you have no business being a critic. Williams comes from the tradition of Roza, Korngold, Steiner, etc. It is classic movie music at its highest. So his opinion about which films he liked best are rubbish… at least until you hear why he liked the two he did like. Think about it for a minute. He liked the visuals and editing. He watched some scenes over again with the sound off - think about it. No dialog. No dialog means that the majority of complaints I see on OT.com were completely thrown out, leaving only the visual of Eps 2 and 3. These are the culmination of GL’s years of filmmaking. Ep 1 was him getting back into the driver’s seat after years away. Eps 2 and 3 show him in full form at the height of his skill at assembling a movie. If you are basicly ignoring the sound and concentrating on the visuals, and likely are adverse to CG, but just looking at the visual story telling, Eps 2 and 3 are pretty damn good. I found the opening of Ep 3 to be excellent, but I also appreciated the music, the Anakin/Obi-wan friendly banter, and the story telling as a whole, not just the visuals.
I think there is room for many interpretations. Ranking any of the PT higher than any of the OT is not going to be popular around here because, let’s face it, this is an OT centered website. But I don’t think it is just or fair to insist that someone who loves Star Wars and finds us must be trolling or insane or whatever else you want to call it, because they think one or more of the PT are actually good. I think they are substantially inferior to the OT, but I think they are good movies. Lucas really missed the ball by not getting help on the writing end. He crafts a good story, but he is best when others help shape it and refine it.
And we have seen what Kasdan can do on his own and he certainly isn’t responsible for the magic that was TESB and ROTJ. TESB had Leigh Brackett and Irving Kershner, but ROTJ can’t claim that and yet most of us think it is nearly as good as the other two. I think that is because of GL’s ability to craft a story. I think he manged to recapture that in the PT, but he crammed too much in and tried to write it all himself without any other eyes on the scripts. That is his downfall and why the PT just aren’t as good. I find them to be more true to the OT than TFA. TFA nails the characters and the world, but fails to have any spark to the story. It is a good film because the characters are good. As a story is is flat and unimaginative. Between the two you have the two aspects that made the OT great. GL’s story telling and someone else’s script revisions and dialog.
How dare anyone have opinions not exactly in accordance with the hivemind?!
Are you describing the state of affairs on TFN?
TV’s Frink said:
It’s a better film than the other two, but it’s not even close to being good or well made. Parts are good or well made but the overall result is still poor.
It’s enjoyable to watch from beginning to end. Is well structured, reasonably well plotted. The dialogue isn’t completely out there most of the time, and all the action sequences are exciting and move the story forward. The effects are also the best out of any of them, real care was put into both the practical and digital effects with only the gungans really standing out as bad, that owing mostly to McCallum insisting that they ditch Ahmed’s costume to bait the FX oscar.
The major “crimes” it commits is that it contradicts OT canon and doesn’t really have major relevance to the overarching story. But as a standalone film those don’t matter.
The dialogue is a trainwreck. Everything out of Jar Jar’s and Jake’s mouth is laughable, Natalie’s queen is terrible, and let’s not forget the racist angle of Jar Jar, the Nemoidians, and Watto.
Also, midichlorians, the single worst concept in the entire PT.
TV’s Frink said:
and let’s not forget the racist angle of Jar Jar, the Nemoidians, and Watto.
I’d like to see someone try to worm their way around that shit.
^I’m still not convinced it’s as blatantly (and truly) racist as it’s made out to be.
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Well that one defense
“Oh, it ain’t as bad as people would have you think”
Well that one defense
“Oh, it ain’t as bad as people would have you think”
Lol, agreed.
The dialogue is a trainwreck. Everything out of Jar Jar’s and Jake’s mouth is laughable, Natalie’s queen is terrible, and let’s not forget the racist angle of Jar Jar, the Nemoidians, and Watto.
Also, midichlorians, the single worst concept in the entire PT.
Jar Jar is meant to be laughable so I don’t know why you hold that against him. Jake Lloyd does an excellent job. If you dislike kid Anakin I suspect it’s because you dislike kids in general, rather than anything about his performance or dialogue.
Ahmed Best does not himself consider Jar Jar racist so why should you? Lame, below the belt jab.
Midichlorians were introduced in 1978 as part of the guidelines for EU novel authors.
The dialogue is a trainwreck. Everything out of Jar Jar’s and Jake’s mouth is laughable, Natalie’s queen is terrible, and let’s not forget the racist angle of Jar Jar, the Nemoidians, and Watto.
Also, midichlorians, the single worst concept in the entire PT.
Jar Jar is meant to be laughable so I don’t know why you hold that against him. Jake Lloyd does an excellent job. If you dislike kid Anakin I suspect it’s because you dislike kids in general, rather than anything about his performance or dialogue.
Ahmed Best does not himself consider Jar Jar racist so why should you? Lame, below the belt jab.
Midichlorians were introduced in 1978 as part of the guidelines for EU novel authors.
This post is laughable.
The dialogue is a trainwreck. Everything out of Jar Jar’s and Jake’s mouth is laughable, Natalie’s queen is terrible, and let’s not forget the racist angle of Jar Jar, the Nemoidians, and Watto.
Also, midichlorians, the single worst concept in the entire PT.
Jar Jar is meant to be laughable so I don’t know why you hold that against him. Jake Lloyd does an excellent job. If you dislike kid Anakin I suspect it’s because you dislike kids in general, rather than anything about his performance or dialogue.
Ahmed Best does not himself consider Jar Jar racist so why should you? Lame, below the belt jab.
Midichlorians were introduced in 1978 as part of the guidelines for EU novel authors.
You are seriously trying to reason with this guy? Forget it!
Well that one defense
“Oh, it ain’t as bad as people would have you think”
I hope you don’t hold that against me. I completely understand why people think TPM was so racist. I’m just not convinced they’re 100% right.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
BmB said:
Jar Jar is meant to be laughable so I don’t know why you hold that against him.
I think you can if the comedic aspect that he attempts to bring doesn’t work. Which is doesn’t
Jake Lloyd does an excellent job.
Even from a child acting standpoint he’s garbage. Makes Carrie Fisher in TFA look like Brian Cranston.
BmB said:
Jar Jar is meant to be laughable so I don’t know why you hold that against him.
Maybe his existence is laughable. He doesn’t succeed in making the audience like him and laugh at his “comedy”
Jake Lloyd does an excellent job. If you dislike kid Anakin I suspect it’s because you dislike kids in general, rather than anything about his performance or dialogue.
I don’t think you’ve ever heard a kid speak before
Ahmed Best does not himself consider Jar Jar racist so why should you? Lame, below the belt jab.
I agree, I don’t see what’s racist about Jar Jar, although he is still the worst
Midichlorians were introduced in 1978 as part of the guidelines for EU novel authors.
Yes, and the first EU novel also had Luke and Vader both trying to find a crystal, some concepts don’t work well in the SW universe even if they’re old ideas
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