The Clone army didn’t turn on the Republic, they wiped out those traitorous Jedi and the Republic was reordered into the Empire. 😉
Kylo had a bleeding wound from being shot by Chewie, so that evened the odds a tad.
Turning on the guardians of peace and justice for a thousand generations and ushering in an autocratic dictatorship sure sounds like turning on the Republic to me.
Attack of the Clones is not a perfect film, but it is a decent film…
No. It’s not. Both choices have been scientifically proven false.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Scott109 said:
Do you expect me to believe that Kylo Ren destroyed the New Jedi Order but lost to a girl with no lightsaber training?
“If I ignore it maybe it’ll go away”
- And it took him forever to do it. What a wimpy villain! I laughed during that scene. It was supposed to be poignant, but it was only pathetic.
Maybe because there’s still good in him. Maybe because he was literally designed to have conflict.
And you laughed? Sure you did.
“Long before we had this title, the idea of The Force Awakens was that this would become the evolution of not just a hero, but a villain,” Abrams said. “And not a villain who was the finished, ready-made villain, but someone who was in process.”- JJ Abrams
Not liking the character is fine but you don’t even understand the character.
And why would Kylo Ren seek to murder his father in the first place?
Because it was a test to see how commited he was to The Dark Side
Instead, in The Force Awakens Han Solo is still a smuggler who learned absolutely nothing from his adventures in the Original Trilogy.
Learned nothing? He accepts the Force as a fact, he gets mad at Finn when he is told that he didn’t know how to shut down the shields on SKB which indicates he still cares for the Galaxy at large and he even risks his life and dies to bring his son back home. He’s pretty much the same Han from ROTJ but older.
Also he went back to smuggling because it was the only thing he was good at and to seperate himself from Leia. Also even before he went back to being a scoundrel he tried to start a legitimate business.
Do you expect me to believe that Kylo Ren destroyed the New Jedi Order but lost to a girl with no lightsaber training?
And it took him forever to do it. What a wimpy villain! I laughed during that scene. It was supposed to be poignant, but it was only pathetic.
This is something that many people can’t get through their heads, Kylo Ren was kicking her ass until she channeled the force and caught him off guard, I’ll also point out that he had just taken a bullet to the abdomen which would probably give you less of an edge. Another thing is that Kylo has next-to-no lightsaber practise, the only stuff he fights are defenseless villagers and computer monitors
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^I can’t count the number of times this has been pointed out.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
It wouldn’t have to be pointed out so much if it wasn’t ignored so often. People act as if Kylo was in tip top shape when he went into the battle and criticize him even though we have never seen him in a serious lightsaber in neutral territory with an opposing Force Wielder. I know we haven’t had a lightsaber duel where someone has been injured pre fight before but damn. People also like to ignore the fact that he hasn’t completed any of his training and probably hasn’t been in a lightsaber duel in years.
Plus he wasn’t trying to kill Rey. He had been ordered to bring her before Snoke for training. It does make you wonder if people actually watched the film 😉
- Who gives a damn about the political specifics? Did the OT delve into these in any detail?
Who gives a damn about understanding what’s going on in a movie ? Everyone who likes good movies I guess. You reallly should watch ANH by the way (I don’t write “rewatch” because you obviously have never seen this movie), the political situation is clear as crystal in it (opening crawl, subsequent dialogues with Leia, Vader, the Imperial Officer aboard the Tantive; then the Death Star meeting, with a guy called Tarkin who provides information about the Senate, the Emperor, Governors, and so on).
😉
Where were you in '77?
The Clone army didn’t turn on the Republic, they wiped out those traitorous Jedi and the Republic was reordered into the Empire. 😉
Kylo had a bleeding wound from being shot by Chewie, so that evened the odds a tad.
Turning on the guardians of peace and justice for a thousand generations and ushering in an autocratic dictatorship
Both of these actions received “thunderous applause” from the Republic.
The Clone army didn’t turn on the Republic, they wiped out those traitorous Jedi and the Republic was reordered into the Empire. 😉
Kylo had a bleeding wound from being shot by Chewie, so that evened the odds a tad.
Turning on the guardians of peace and justice for a thousand generations and ushering in an autocratic dictatorship sure sounds like turning on the Republic to me.
Not from the point of view of all those in the senate cheering for Palpatine as made himself Emperor.
Where were you in '77?
Was so busy today, I forgot the movie was actually out until I saw a display at the supermarket. Even more surprised they put a picture of Luke on there.
Where were you in '77?
George Lucas should have killed off Han Solo in Return of the Jedi. He should have died in the fight to destroy the Empire. It would have completed his character transformation from a self-interested smuggler to a self-sacrificial war hero. Instead, in The Force Awakens Han Solo is still a smuggler who learned absolutely nothing from his adventures in the Original Trilogy. What a slap in the face.
I guess we’ll finally find out if there’s a market for dead Han Solo figures! : P
Where were you in '77?
Watching the film now, noticed that when Kylo Ren is interrogating Poe you can hear the sound of the torture droid from ANH and see behind him what looks like it might be an updated torture droid. Pretty cool, glad I’m still catching new things even on my sixth viewing.
What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.
Interesting find though.
What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.
Those are the exact lines, so with the torture droid in mind, and Poe’s line “You might want to rethink your technique,” I think the implication is that he’s already been interrogated using the droid, and the scene is actually subtly showing Ren as bigger and badder than Vader in some respects (Vader just used the probe and failed, but when Ren uses the probe and fails, he moves on to something far worse and a lot more effective).
Two quick thoughts. During my initial viewing, I felt the lack of any political exposition, considering how important it was to the prequels’ story. Not saying I wanted a ton, but I did want a bit more than we got. Just the basics of the history or basis for the First Order and Resistance. As the first follow-up to the story since ROTJ, it’s an elephant in the room to go so far to avoid any and all political stuff.
Also, it just seems like Kylo Ren let Rey beat him. No, it’s like Adam Driver just let Daisy Ridley arm wrestle him into shorting out the saber. Just subjective on my part; the momentum of the scene gets you to root for Rey so you don’t really mind if her victory isn’t totally believable.
Has anyone else watched the Blu Ray yet?
So far, I see one opinion that it is a little blue-shifted. I’ll be out of town until next week and won’t have a chance to watch, but I’m curious about how it looks/sounds.
There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.
Where were you in '77?
There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.
In the novelization she even hears a voice that’s implied to be Snoke’s telling her to finish Kylo off while he’s down. I think she’s definitely tapping into something not entirely wholesome in that scene.
Stopped on the way home from work today and doubled the size of my Star Wars DVD collection. 😉
What other one do you own? Why not the others?
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.
In the novelization she even hears a voice that’s implied to be Snoke’s telling her to finish Kylo off while he’s down. I think she’s definitely tapping into something not entirely wholesome in that scene.
I was just about to post the excerpt from that scene. Damn you lol
Well here is it anyway:
Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick. She recoiled from it. From the dark side.
What’s funny is that Kylo said something to the effect of “No one has been able to get out of you…what you did with the map” which indicates that FO people interrogated him as well.
Those are the exact lines, so with the torture droid in mind, and Poe’s line “You might want to rethink your technique,” I think the implication is that he’s already been interrogated using the droid, and the scene is actually subtly showing Ren as bigger and badder than Vader in some respects (Vader just used the probe and failed, but when Ren uses the probe and fails, he moves on to something far worse and a lot more effective).
Also I think Vader can probe the minds of people but unlike Ren he can’t forcibly remove information when a target is resisting.
There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.
I like the idea of Rey becoming a master of Vaapad like Mace Windu.
There’s also the possibility that Rey was really angry and pissed off at Ren by that point, and was dipping her toe in the Dark Side, much like Luke did when he beat Vader in ROTJ. All the more reason she needs Luke to teach her now.
I like the idea of Rey becoming a master of Vaapad like Mace Windu.
I don’t
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