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It’s always seemed greyish tan to me. I don’t know if that’s accurate, but it’s how it seems to me. I think any green comes from lighting and the natural green that sometimes occurs in shadowy areas on film stock.

I thought it was green as a kid watching the Faces VHS.

I think these are close…a Grey/Green:

or perhaps:

…I wouldn’t mind taking a few orders from her…(SLAP) Oh shoot…the wife’s here!

Be careful looks like there were even different shades of the uniforms.

I believe that the features officers in ANH have the same color uniform as those in TESB and ROTJ. There are other uniforms as well, tan, white, black, but the top people all seem to have the same greenish uniform. When I color correct ANH for other things, Tarkin’s uniform takes on a similar color to the Admirals from TESB. And the difference in uniforms in that pic above is only lighting. Those are the same color uniforms for the old and new Admirals.

yotsuya said:

I believe that the features officers in ANH have the same color uniform as those in TESB and ROTJ. There are other uniforms as well, tan, white, black, but the top people all seem to have the same greenish uniform. When I color correct ANH for other things, Tarkin’s uniform takes on a similar color to the Admirals from TESB. And the difference in uniforms in that pic above is only lighting. Those are the same color uniforms for the old and new Admirals.

I’m not entirely sure. I think for TESB at least some of the officer uniforms were updated, with different ensignia, and a more bluish green atire, as is evident on the above photo. Left the ANH colors, right TESB’s update.

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

Darth Lucas said:

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

I agree with you that they probably weren’t trying to do anything incredibly unnatural with the color (overly green, red, etc). But whether or not that means grey walls probably depends on each individual set. In some cases, where the sets were blue or blue/green, surely the grey timing is the unnatural timing?

towne32 said:

Darth Lucas said:

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

I agree with you that they probably weren’t trying to do anything incredibly unnatural with the color (overly green, red, etc). But whether or not that means grey walls probably depends on each individual set. In some cases, where the sets were blue or blue/green, surely the grey timing is the unnatural timing?

Oh, absolutely. I’m just saying when you look at certain factors like the color of sets, lighting and the color of certain actors’ hair and skin, you can correct for that, and the colors of other things come out. There are definitely some sets in the Death Star that lean more on the blue side, the green/cyan side, or the grey side. Looking at everything within the scene that you do know the natural color of can give you clues as to the colors of other things.

I think it’s futile to find the “correct colors” simply because there is no such thing. The colors in 1977 varied depending on what film stock it was printed on, the warmth of the projector bulb, the competence of the projectionist, etc. No two screenings would have looked the same.
Therefore I think it’s less important to try and match a specific reference, and more important to try and find what the colors were MEANT to look like, which you can only really do by looking at what color sets, props, actors, etc actually look like, then take into account factors like lighting on the set.
Another thing that can be done is to look at several references and look for what is similar between them. If you have ten references and seven of them say the wall is grey, two of them say it’s green, and one of them says its blue, then it’s probably best to lean toward grey.

towne32 said:

Darth Lucas said:

dlvh said:

Darth Lucas said:

jacksparrow900 said:

The uniforms were olive color according to the Star Wars Costume book.

From what I’ve seen of behind the scenes photos and such, this olive color seems to be accurate. Certain lighting may have changed that slightly in the final film, plus 35mm film tends to go a little bit green in shadowy areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near the deep green that I’ve seen in a lot of restorations here.

If you work under the assumption, as I tend to do, that they weren’t trying to do weird, unnatural looking things with the colors, then you can correct Death Star walls to look mostly grey, and low and behold, tarkin’s uniform comes out looking olive.

Do you have a picture of what you are thinking the color would have looked like? Or are my examples of the color several posts ago, fairly accurate?

I’m no expert on the accurate color, but just based on what seems natural and working from the assumption like I said that they probably weren’t trying to do anything unnatural and weird with the color, I’d say your example seems to be pretty damn close.

I agree with you that they probably weren’t trying to do anything incredibly unnatural with the color (overly green, red, etc). But whether or not that means grey walls probably depends on each individual set. In some cases, where the sets were blue or blue/green, surely the grey timing is the unnatural timing?

Most all of the good quality publicity photos and or stills of the Death Star interior that I have seen, both past and current, show the walls to be a dark grey, but there does seem to be some shots/scenes that have other colors on them…mainly do to lighting, I think. I am not certain though, that I dare rely on my memory from seeing it in '77 to say if those are correct, or not.

Edit…I dare saying after doing a bit more research, that all the walls were painted dark grey, and then lit colorfully, when needed or desired, to give scenes “lively hood” if it was deemed necessary. Also, there are some scenes in the Death Star, where Hans shirt is a bright yellow, and after properly correcting them, miraculously, the walls turn closer to the dark grey.

Dlvh: though I don’t want to put words in his mouth, I believe mike verta has said otherwise based on set photos and what people who worked on the movie told him.

This is the correct color [IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/jacksparrow900/IMG_2076_zps74n2532i.jpg[/IMG]

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s an example of the changing color of the walls from the Blu-ray (uncorrected). This sequence has some horrible color smearing that seems to be on every version of the film from 77 onward, but it’s also clear evidence of the wall sections being painted different colors:

The wall on the left has about ten points more green than the one directly beside it, and neither are gray according to the blu-ray.

JEDIT: Yes, Mike has also said that the walls were painted different colors - see his discussion about the wall sections abutting the droid alcove across from the Falcon, which was intended as a more neutral gray.

The Bluray is so messed up, it has so many random colors just put in that scene for no apparent reason. I guess they could paint it, but I don’t know why they would, but I’m not counting it out. If you look at that scene, the ceiling already has lights in there, and that by itself would change the coloring, but if there were people from the crew that said there were different paint colors, than they would know.

Here is a shot, showing the ceiling lights and the different “paint” color, if they did indeed painted there, and you can see that it’s a different shade of…green. However, even if true, and I shouldn’t doubt that it is, surely, the Bluray cannot be taken as any sort of decent source to go by…IMHO:

The Blu-ray does not have accurate colors. That said, if it shows such a marked difference at a specific location, likely there was a difference in paint on the set. Determining what those colors were is problematic.

Also, it is more accurate to scan a source such as that book photo of the imperial uniforms on a flat bed scanner. Cameras tend to adjust white balance based on various factors and don’t lead to accurate colors in the photo. Even flatbed scanners have issues but they are generally more accurate and can be calibrated. Also it would depend on when the photo was taken and what condition the costume was stored under. Fabric colors and change as they age.

I’ve been meaning to ask you this. I remember reading in one of your posts, that the bluray colors are actually more crushed than they need to be, because of some encoding error, effectively reducing the already limited color depth. Can you give some advice on how to best handle this issue?