VINYLVINYLVINYL! — Page 2

Bingowings said:

I've got 78s from the 1930s, they may not be portable but they are a lot longer lasting than optical discs and much easier to repair too.

I would be very surprised if as many CDs would be playable in 2060something.

Do pressed optical discs, kept in good condition, suffer from deterioration over time?

I love vinyl, but one of my laments has been over how delicate they are. My room mate was listening to my vinyl Viva La Vida last year and managed to scratch the crap out of it by dragging the needle across it. Now every time the needle passes over that scratch there is a click and it lasts for a good three songs. Is there actually an easy way to fix this sort of thing, or does the "easier to repair too" apply only to 78s? Nice thing about CDs, is that you can often buff out scratches that cause reading errors, and it usually takes some relatively heavy abuse before most modern CD players start to have trouble anyway.

captainsolo said:

You would have the enormous Station to Station set. ;)

I do!

I felt it time to bump this thread, what with the talk of vinyl in the politics thread and all.

I don’t feel like there’s much of a debate. The argument is that vinyl isn’t inherently better than cds, and that cds are a better medium, but that the vinyl always tends to sound better anyway. Obviously a paraphrase, and too lazy to link to the post, but I don’t really feel like debating that.

OK there has been a Carrington style Event and almost all electrical equipment and generators have failed.

How do you play your Pet Sounds music bluray or CD?
With vinyl all you have to do is make a mechanical turntable.

imperialscum said:
That is how it is.

You’ve just given a perfect example of why nobody here likes you.

Anyway, while it is true that cds store the information digitally, and that information can be copied from the cd losslessly, that doesn’t change the fact that the vinyl will sound superior in the first place.

Also cds degrade with time, vinyl degrade with play. So from a time capsule point of view, if you store the same album in both CD and vinyl form for say 50 years, at the end the vinyl will come out on top. And since the vinyl will probably have had more detail in the first place.

And go ahead and tell the audiophile community that vinyl isn’t for people who enjoy music. Lmao!

Sure, sounding better is technically an opinion, take any number of people and play the same thing for them on cd and vinyl and they will (in my own experience anyway) say the vinyl sounds better. So at what point does that become trustworthy?

Also, you basically said that if cds were built better, they’d be better. Wow, what visionary.

Quality of sound is all about opinion, so the same set of opinion is all that counts. Enjoy your tin can sounding music without any emphasis or expression.

The earliest CD presentations were very tinny. The AAD discs being the worst of the bunch.
Over time though they have got a lot better. A good well looked after DDD set should sound perfectly good and be better than even a pristine vinyl recording.
What people tend to mean when they compare the sounds isn’t so much the recording but the manner by which those recordings are played back.
Speaker tech is becoming more and more amazing but around the eighties and nineties when CD first came along you needed really well engineered speakers to get the best out of records.
Along with the speakers you had the warmth and clarity of valves. If you are used to playing a tune on vinyl through a really good amplifier and then put a CD or an MP3 player through generic equipment you will feel the earlier technology as being a richer experience. But if you were to get the equivalent equipment now and play a modern recording through it you’d have to be blinded by nostalgia to honestly say the high end of the past sounded better than the high end of the present.
The quality of modern music however is another story for another day.
I disagree about the value of culture during a post flare apocalypse though. If you are fighting for tinned peas you will need Tina Turner and if the internal circuits of your iSplode are dead you will be thankful for a wind up gramophone. Trust me. I’ve seen your future.

Okay, so I have an album made in 2013 on both cd and vinyl. Played back on the same speakers ran through the same receiver, the vinyl completely destroys it. The album was recorded in 2013. The cd honestly does sound pretty good, but the vinyl has more ‘punch’, a deeper sound and richer tones. I can feel the percussion beat in my chest and the sound feels the whole house, neither of which happen on the cd. And there are little details and intricacies I hear on the vinyl not on the cd. It could very well be a difference in mastering, but if they are going to consistently and always give cds over compressed and aliased where every instrument blends into each other and nothing pops, and give the master with dynamic range, a more carefully curved Eq, and overall greater care to vinyl then that’s what I’m going to pick. If cd masters weren’t mastered like shit it might be different.

I LOVE vinyl so I will say only this … I AM allowed to obsess over it because it is my vinyl collection. I have a mid-range older turntable with a perfectly good needle on it, a custom 3 tube pre-amp, and external sound card, and one nice collection of stuff I grew up with and then some (80’s kid here, born in 1969).

As for vinyl rips, I totally support people who own and rip them, sharing them. Vinyl is NOT what it used to be since a lot of them are being pressed from digital masters and not analog masters. The ritual of playing vinyl is what dragged me in all those years ago and I have not looked back.

Long Live Vinyl!!!

😃

There’s no point arguing with him. He only comes here to piss people off I think. Whenever he goes without posting nobody wonders what happened to him or misses him. Some people just don’t know how to interact online, for all we know he may be perfectly likeable in person. But on here his attitude sucks bantha poodoo.

moviefreakedmind said:

You are probably right.

One artist that sounds pretty much inarguably better on vinyl is ZZ Top. They have never had a good history when it comes to CD releases. Especially since I believe they only just released the original mixes for all of their pre-Eliminator albums a few years ago after replacing them the original drum track with some type of new 1980s drum machine type sound.

I think you’re right about that.