Hi all,
I am new to this forum and this discussion. I apologise for the long reply…if all object then I will just leave the lin to the website where I sourced the quotes…but I am not sure how long that website will be up and I didn’t want to lost these ideas that I have read.
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels…I always tell people to watch 4-6 and then 1-3
Below are Mike Ruso Rule’s (which I have pasted) that one must follow when working on the PT based on the Established OT Canon:
Direct Quotes from the Original Trilogy
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.
“Some damn fool idealistic crusade” sounds like a quote.
When Obi-Wan talks about Luke’s uncle he says, “he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.” The way he delivers that line and even the words themselves sound like a quote. It sounds very much like Obi-Wan is quoting something Owen said to Luke’s father in front of Obi-Wan, and so this event could be a scene in one of the prequels.
Ben Kenobi stopped going by the name of Obi-Wan before Luke was born
In A New Hope, when Luke first meets Ben Kenobi he asks about Obi-Wan, to which Kenobi soon explains, “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.” This is interesting, because it implies Kenobi left the Jedi order before Anakin turned to the dark side.
Owen did not want Luke’s father to fight in the Clone Wars.
Obi-Wan says that Owen wanted Luke’s father to stay at home rather than fight in the wars. “He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.” There is an awful lot of backstory packed into that simple line. First, Anakin was an idealistic young man, so in the prequels we should see some of that idealism. It implies that Owen and Anakin were living together in the same place they both considered home, rather than virtual strangers who met after Anakin joined the Jedi, as in Lucas’s prequels. Owen and Anakin were also close and probably blood brothers, and Owen loudly protested Anakin leaving him and joining the Jedi. Finally, fighting in the Clone Wars also seemed to have been a choice–so there was no draft.
Obi-Wan never owned a droid.
Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.” And later speaks directly to R2D2: “Now, let’s see if we can’t figure out what you are my little friend, and where you come from.” Unless we want to imply that Obi-Wan has gone senile, he should not own or have a close relationship with R2D2 or any droid in the prequels.
Darth Vader helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi
We later learn in Empire that part of Obi-Wan’s statement is untrue, but he says specifically that Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.” This statement is very interesting, because Obi-Wan says, “the Empire,” not the emperor or the Sith, which means the Empire was already established when the Jedi were wiped out, and rather than a simultaneous, single slaughter, the Jedi were hunted down one by one.
Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
In A New Hope, when Vader is choking the non-believer who berates him, Governor Tarkin orders, “Vader, release him,” and Vader complies, which means that Tarkin outranks Vader. Leia even quips that Tarkin holds Vader’s leash. And after sensing Obi-Wan’s presence on the Death Star, Vader reports this information to Tarkin before taking any other action. If Vader is the Emperor’s right-hand-man, as I assume, then Tarkin must be an incredibly powerful imperial official, in addition to the fact that he commands the Death Star. As a result, I think we can infer that Tarkin played an integral role in the toppling of the Republic and the formation of the Empire. Therefor he should play a role in the prequels.
Obi-Wan served Leia’s father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan, commanded by Leia’s father, who would logically be the king. This implies that despite a unified republic, individual planets each had their own military during the wars, before consolidation under imperial rule into a single military. Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks, which means Obi-Wan either volunteered or was conscripted into this military.
Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke? When Vader and Obi-Wan fought on the Death Star, neither said anything about Luke. And in Return of the Jedi, Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan, (which is only partially true since Yoda did most of the training)? The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son, knew his name was Luke, and sometime after Luke’s birth Obi-Wan kidnapped Luke and hid him away, which logically would have enraged Anakin.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter
In Return of the Jedi, Vader reads Luke’s mind and discovers Luke has a twin sister. His response is: “Obi-Wan was wise to keep her from me.” That means Vader knew about Luke, but somehow Obi-Wan (or somebody, see below) kept him ignorant of Leia. That’s gonna be tough, from a writing standpoint, to make believable, but it has to be in the prequels.
Obi-Wan does not know about Leia?
When Luke flies away from Dagoba in Empire, Obi-Wan says to Yoda: “That boy is our only hope.” Yoda replies, “No, there is another.” It’s possible that Yoda is simply reminding Obi-Wan that Luke has a sister, but it could imply that Obi-Wan never knew about Leia, that even he was kept in the dark about her in order to protect her from Vader.
Leia knew her mother
In Jedi, Luke asks Leia about her mother and she tells him that she doesn’t remember much except feelings because she died when she was “very young,” which is quite different from “when I was a newborn infant.” That fact that she has memories of her mother at all implies her mother lives at least a few years after her birth.
Vader has a catchphrase
After Vader gets Luke to fall into the carbonite freezing chamber, he says, “All too easy.” He says this to himself, which is odd and it implies this is something he says to himself all the time. In the prequels Anakin could use this expression.
The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.”
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire. If the Jedi were simply slaughtered like in Lucas’s prequels, that would have made them martyrs – their status in the culture would be exulted. So instead, the prequels need to show how the majority of common people in the Republic lose faith in the Jedi and in the Force. Perhaps having them lose battles against the clones while a secular army wins might do it.
Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine. So how did he know about Anakin’s transformation? Did he read about it in the news? More logically, he must have been present for Anakin’s step-by-step conversion – he saw it happen. It would have been like watching a slow moving train coming at you while tied to the tracks.
Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi, maybe
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.” Let’s take that statement at face value. That implies Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi like him before turning to the dark side. Perhaps he quit the Jedi but nevertheless wanted Luke to join, and gave the weapon to Obi-Wan. Maybe he just said offhand one day while wielding it, “This will be my son’s one day.”
No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith, despite the fact that he is the ultimate insider—he outranks Vader. That means no one knows, possibly not even Obi-Wan and Yoda, who never warn Luke that the emperor knows the Force, or that his rise to power and defeat of the Jedi is because of his strength with the Force, ability to see the future, et cetera.
The Force is supernatural
This should almost go without saying, but the Force is “an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
http://www.mikeruso.com/blog/alternative-star-wars-prequels-the-ground-rules/
