Lucasfilm and George Lucas are given too much credit at times,
for some information that doesn’t seem to be verified.Take this for what you will.
Team Negative1
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What baffles me more than anything about the original versions of the trilogy is the fact that a restoration was done that had people working on it up until at least summer of 2013 (assuming those people weren’t lying on their resumes). Regardless of whatever versions these are why would they just never release them? Unless they’re waiting for 4K blu ray players to hit the market, which is happening this year.
The Person in Question
Lucasfilm and George Lucas are given too much credit at times,
for some information that doesn’t seem to be verified.Take this for what you will.
Team Negative1
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Important-Message-Regarding-Team-Accounts/id/18184
Where were you in '77?
What baffles me more than anything about the original versions of the trilogy is the fact that a restoration was done that had people working on it up until at least summer of 2013 (assuming those people weren’t lying on their resumes). Regardless of whatever versions these are why would they just never release them? Unless they’re waiting for 4K blu ray players to hit the market, which is happening this year.
You’re talking about the 4K restoration of the 97SE, though, right?
towne32 said:
You’re talking about the 4K restoration of the 97SE, though, right?
Probably, but no one knows exactly what was restored in that project.
The Person in Question
towne32 said:
You’re talking about the 4K restoration of the 97SE, though, right?Probably, but no one knows exactly what was restored in that project.
True, no one knows if they restored other elements (ideally to assemble the actual original film). But they did restore the 97, based on the lightsabers.
towne32 said:
You’re talking about the 4K restoration of the 97SE, though, right?Probably, but no one knows exactly what was restored in that project.
True, no one knows if they restored other elements (ideally to assemble the actual original film). But they did restore the 97, based on the lightsabers.
That’s true. I think that in any situation they would restore the SE, regardless of whether or not the original version is included. My thoughts are perhaps any type of special new box set with new HD transfers might include the unaltered versions of the films.
The Person in Question
This seems as good a place as any to ask, so I will. Even if Lucasfilm butchered the original negatives to make the SE, shouldn’t second generation internegatives exist somewhere? I know those wouldn’t have the same amount of detail as the true negative, but wouldn’t those be good enough for a standard Blu-ray? I shot a little bit of 16mm in school and never did anything with it beyond the work prints, but my understanding was that you want to manipulate the original negative as little as possible. Surely copies were made for the purpose of generating release prints?
If he manipulated the negative then duplicates were made of the original after the restoration so that if frames were destroyed during the process he’d be able to have backups.
The Person in Question
It should also be noted that a lot of footage of the three films in Empire of Dreams (with the exception of the bit at the end on the SEs) is from some kind of mysterious, unaltered copy. They exist.
The Person in Question
Is this implying something???
Is this implying something???
Team Negative 1’s release.
Is this implying something???
Team Negative 1’s release.
Ohhhhh. Should be interesting then.
Well, I think it’s time to revist that old RMW debate. Just looking at the SE next to the show reel and SW Silver Screen, they all look completely different. The cores look more like what’s on the print, but the glow is a little closer to the SE. Any thoughts?
Disney could be in the process of creating their ultimate special edition. Hopefully when that is released, the OUT will be included in a decent enough quality.
I occasionally check the Steve Hoffman forums because there are a couple of users who have knowledge about Star Wars related projects. The user who worked for Lowry said that they have requested a scan of the original print of Star Wars from the Library of Congress, two separate people have said that the original releases were scheduled to be released in 2015 but were postponed because the restorations were taking longer than expected. Another person recently posted something about the Empire of Dreams documentary being remastered in HD (which I think I heard about a few months ago too). I know it’s perfectly possible that all of these people are misinformed but I think there’s something to all of it. One of the users even cited the RMW project specifically.
The Person in Question
Well, I think it’s time to revist that old RMW debate. Just looking at the SE next to the show reel and SW Silver Screen, they all look completely different. The cores look more like what’s on the print, but the glow is a little closer to the SE. Any thoughts?
The cores definitely look more pronounced than I previously figured they ever did in the original. What we got from the gout and similar sources seems to have been an over-exposed blur of core and glow from the lightsaber (which admittedly, looks pretty great).
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
I occasionally check the Steve Hoffman forums because there are a couple of users who have knowledge about Star Wars related projects. . . . I know it’s perfectly possible that all of these people are misinformed but I think there’s something to all of it. One of the users even cited the RMW project specifically.
I’m starting to agree with you on this. There is just too much out there, some of it with detailed backstories, and many of the claims are consistent with each other. We know for a fact that the Library of Congress made scans at Disney’s request (assuming moviefreakmind is honest). For what other purpose than an OUT reconstruction would a faded, 40-year old print be useful?
Also, when paired with John Landis’s statements, it seems even more reliable. I doubt he is dumb enough to take various comic book blog rumors as reliable, irrefutable information, and he has no reason to lie about this.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
We have more information, and the actual videos and screen captures also of it.
But currently, they remain private. When the time comes, we can shed some light on it.
Team Negative1
Im not saying I feel ultra positive a OUT release will happen but I will say that lately Im having a good feeling about it. I say this since Lucasfilm/Disney have yet to say ANYTHING regarding a OUT restoration. Keep in mind that the sale to Disney was in 2012 and we still yet to hear something. I dont think Lucasfilm/Disney would be so quiet on the subject if it at least wasnt being considered. Im not saying Lucasfilm/Disney is the same way but at least when Lucas was in charge he was straight up and said they wouldnt be released. Now with him out of the way Im not sure. And as someone noted above the fact that the original cut was requested by Disney from the LOC only adds to my feeling on the matter.
CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:
We know for a fact that the Library of Congress made scans at Disney’s request (assuming moviefreakmind is honest). For what other purpose than an OUT reconstruction would a faded, 40-year old print be useful?
The information on the Library of Congress comes from the user “Vidiot” who worked with George Lucas on previous Star Wars projects. The link to his exact statement was posted earlier in this thread. He posted it on this page of the forum.
“BTW, this didn’t get a lot of publicity, but about 2 months ago, Disney requested that the Library of Congress make for them a scan of the original 1977 copyrighted theatrical print of Star Wars. I casually know the guy who did the scan over at the LoC. My bet is that they’re going to use this for reference to see where all the cuts, changes, alterations, and titles were done. But even if they started today, I’d be surprised if they could get a remastered 4K version done in a year.”
The Person in Question
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
We have more information, and the actual videos and screen captures also of it.
But currently, they remain private. When the time comes, we can shed some light on it.
Team Negative1
Several comparison shots are in the first couple pages of the old “4K Restoration on Star Wars” thread
The Person in Question
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
We have more information, and the actual videos and screen captures also of it.
But currently, they remain private. When the time comes, we can shed some light on it.
Team Negative1
Thanks. As it was pointed out, the images and video have been shared before (and I may even have them myself on a HDD). Was just asking if anyone has them handy.
But the information part might be interesting, when it comes time that you can share.
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
We have more information, and the actual videos and screen captures also of it.
But currently, they remain private. When the time comes, we can shed some light on it.
Team Negative1
Several comparison shots are in the first couple pages of the old “4K Restoration on Star Wars” thread
Thanks. As much as I am reluctant to trust the GOUT, now, that glow still seems to go beyond anything that should’ve been present originally.
Does anyone have the image capture from that 4K demo reel?
We have more information, and the actual videos and screen captures also of it.
But currently, they remain private. When the time comes, we can shed some light on it.
Team Negative1
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Important-Message-Regarding-Team-Accounts/id/18184