hmmm, there are some translations on your list that I had never heard of(Apostolic Polyglot, LXX2012, New JPS), and I also didn’t know anything about Crosswire.
btw, I wasn’t talking about a college aged class, merely a class or lecture that takes place on a college campus. Perhaps a community college.
Info on Apostolic Polyglot and New JPS.
edit: Also info on Crosswire.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
When (and if) I eventually marry and have kids, should I deny them access to my parents? I’m afraid some of their insanity (Dominionism, persecution complex; creationism; bigotry toward Muslims, LGTBQ people, and to a far lesser extent, black people [While they don’t support anything overt like slavery, they think that God made whites to be better]), especially that of my mom (anti-vaccinations; New Apostolic Reformation; seeing stuff like Pokemon, Mario, Sonic etc as satanic; traumatic exorcisms) would rub off on them. The fact that Mom sometimes says “You reap what you sow” concerning my future children whenever I act too “rebellious” does not help matters in the slightest. By her logic, she’s cursing my children, even if she doesn’t see it that way.
I am not Christian, so just hanging that bias out there so you know how much to ignore me. IMO, absolute denial to grandparents is a pretty severe step, reserved for the realistic threat of physical and/or psychological harm. Most of the stuff you mention doesn’t meet that standard–except traumatic exorcisms, which sounds like it might qualify (I don’t need details, you judge for yourself). That said, near-complete denial to grandparents is both very easy and very common–it’s called moving way the hell away from them. Put enough miles between your kids and your parents, and they’ll only be around each other during very specific, very supervised, very limited times (the holidays–yaaay!), and the rest of the year you can relax. Lots of people have some fairly ghastly relatives that they’d honestly rather their kids never laid eyes on, but there’s a few things worth pointing out about that. Kids are smart. Give them a good moral and intellectual compass and they’ll be able to figure out what’s going on with your parents all by themselves. Kids also love forbidden fruit. You tell them to stay away from something, or keep them away from something, and they’re all over it. Let them figure out for themselves what they want to stay away from. By the sounds of it, it doesn’t sound like it will be very hard for them to figure out.
A related question. Though I may be sceptical of the Bible, I feel like it’s important that my future kids learn its contents, if only so they can understand the background of my family and make their own minds about its contents. I want my future kids to be critical thinkers, to have the right to have opinions that I might not agree with, but I know aren’t wrong. I want my kids to be able to be capable of making the right choices even without the fear of hell fire forcing them to obey. How do you suggest that I teach my kids the bible?
I went to public school in the US, and we read the Bible in school (Genesis and Job, etc, not the whole thing), but it was the Bible as literature. It was neither treated as “this is the Truth!” nor “this is just mythology!” It was, “this is an important cornerstone of literature in our language, so let’s read the thing” My English teacher also taught Sunday school, but he managed to find a very respectful middle ground. AFAICT Christians didn’t feel trivialized, non-Christians didn’t feel sidelined. I’m not saying you have to be THAT neutral, of course, since I’m assuming you’ll be raising your kids to be Christian (unclear on that) – but a certain amount of evenhandedness improves the message, no matter what your goal. Again, kids are smart. Give them analytical tools, and trust them to use them. They’ll appreciate it. Good luck.
I probably am aiming for that level for neutrality. If they decide to become Christians, their Christianity must be their own. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like young kids are too young to make these kind of decisions. Some young kids only join a church because their sunday school gives out pizza every week.
In my case, my faith came from my parents until a few years ago. I blindly followed their dogma, as well as the dogma of my (middle/high school) sunday school. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t curious, but I never really investigated my faith until those aforementioned few years. Then again, I am autistic, so my maturity is impaired, and thus I was not a typical kid. It’s possible that my future children would be able to make these decisions quicker than I did, but who knows?
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
The problem with explaining the Bible to young kids is that it is very hard to understand, especially for someone young, not to mention that it describes disturbing situations such as incest, rape, murder, war, etc. etc. Also, a certain level of knowledge about the historical context is necessary to understand what it is even saying (“kick against the goads” and phrases of that sort), so you should probably just have them read specific passages that directly relate to basic Christian beliefs if your goal is to give them a general understanding of the religion; after that it can be up to them if they want to explore it more. Even still there is the question of which translation to use, as some of the easier to understand translation are questionable at best when it comes to accuracy.
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I probably am aiming for that level for neutrality. If they decide to become Christians, their Christianity must be their own. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like young kids are too young to make these kind of decisions. Some young kids only join a church because their sunday school gives out pizza every week.
I agree important choices should be made by adults, but I guess it’s the atheist in me that wonders if religion qualifies as an important choice (probably could have been phrased better, really not intended as flamebait, honest). I mean, as long as you’re a decent, kind, generous, loving person, does it really matter at all if you’re a Presbyterian or a Zoroastrian? Not to be too flippant, but that decision pretty much just dictates where you hang out on weekends, and whether you eat pork, right? I think what you may be worried about is that your own experience is that religion is some all-consuming thing that colors your world and alters the course of your life. But for lots of people, religion is pretty benign – nice even – and not a significant differentiator between them and other people. It’s a little zest in the bland modern world, a little cultural identity that they can call home. Whether or not they got it through a conscious and informed choice… isn’t actually that big of a deal.
And fair warning – everyone has biases (see above for mine 😉 ), your kids will inherit your biases, and if you’re lucky, your kids will call you out on them when they grow up. Neutrality is a very noble goal, but there’s nothing as infuriating as a parent who claims to be totally, completely neutral when they’re not. Try to be upfront about your own biases, like “you know, I’m not really the best person to ask about brand X Christianity because my own parents were brand X, and it was a really awful experience for me”.
CatBus said:
your kids will inherit your biases, and if you’re lucky, your kids will call you out on them when they grow up.
Heh heh. I wish I could do the same thing with my own parents…but I don’t think I can live on my own yet.
CatBus said:
Neutrality is a very noble goal, but there’s nothing as infuriating as a parent who claims to be totally, completely neutral when they’re not. Try to be upfront about your own biases, like “you know, I’m not really the best person to ask about brand X Christianity because my own parents were brand X, and it was a really awful experience for me”.
You’re right. Growing up with a family of radical Christians has certainly tainted my view of Christianity as a whole, and I know that as a result I couldn’t truly neutral about it. It’s a pity that your saying so only makes me feel more uncertain on how I should raise my future kids.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
You’re right. Growing up with a family of radical Christians has certainly tainted my view of Christianity as a whole, and I know that as a result I couldn’t truly neutral about it. It’s a pity that your saying so only makes me feel more uncertain on how I should raise my future kids.
Second-guessing yourself at every step is an integral part of parenting. As a bonus, everybody else second-guesses your every step too. But it’s worth it anyway 😉
If you teach your kids about Christianity, tell them why Christians believe various things. That way you won’t be brainwashing them, and they will be able to make a more informed choice when they reach that age. I’m not Catholic just because my parents are; I made that decision on my own.
(From this thread.)
…I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it…
You actively hate the Bible?
Yes, when it has things passages saying to kill homosexuals (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t a straight worshiper of Yahweh),
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)
a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
how could I not hate it?
The things you speak of are not passages that I strictly remember, and I know how people can read pieces of the Bible (mainly from the old testament) and either refuse to follow a further contradiction, or completely misinterpret them.
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(From this thread.)
…I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it…
You actively hate the Bible?
Yes, when it has things passages saying to kill homosexuals (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t a straight worshiper of Yahweh),
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)
This is not true, it simply says that it’s a sin to marry the same sex. Just as it is a sin to have pre-marital sex.
a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
No, the context of this was that when a woman is raped she becomes an outcast. The rapist was told to marry her and care for her because he made her undesirable. Marrying her was pretty much what he had to pay for raping her.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
I know what he’s talking about but it gets pretty complicated, I recommend actually doing some research.
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The Levitical laws are pretty brutal.
The Person in Question
(From this thread.)
…I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it…
You actively hate the Bible?
Yes, when it has things passages saying to kill homosexuals (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t a straight worshiper of Yahweh),
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)
This is not true, it simply says that it’s a sin to marry the same sex. Just as it is a sin to have pre-marital sex.
I know this, but I wasn’t sure if he was speaking of a specific passage that I wasn’t remembering.
a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
No, the context of this was that when a woman is raped she becomes an outcast. The rapist was told to marry her and care for her because he made her undesirable. Marrying her was pretty much what he had to pay for raping her.
Ah, thanks for clarification. I didn’t remember that right away, so I thought he was referencing something else.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
I know what he’s talking about but it gets pretty complicated, I recommend actually doing some research.
Do you remember what book/chapter he’s referencing? Or will I need to do some more looking up (hence “doing some research”)?
Thanks for replying, Smithers, since you seem to have a better memory of what he’s talking about (and I’m sure more knowledge about the suject in general) than I do. 😄
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I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship the intolerant God that I believe in.
Fixed.
The Levitical laws are pretty brutal.
Yes, they are. And they have to be understood in the context of the 2000 B.C. society. As Christ makes clear, we are no longer bound by these laws.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Under the Levitical laws homosexual sex was under penalty of death. The New Testament is all about peaceably spreading the story of Jesus so that people will believe and not go to hell. I think it actually outright says that Christians are not supposed to follow the laws of the Jews’ religion.
The Person in Question
(From this thread.)
…I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it…
You actively hate the Bible?
Yes, when it has things passages saying to kill homosexuals (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t a straight worshiper of Yahweh),
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)
This is not true, it simply says that it’s a sin to marry the same sex. Just as it is a sin to have pre-marital sex.
I know this, but I wasn’t sure if he was speaking of a specific passage that I wasn’t remembering.
a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
No, the context of this was that when a woman is raped she becomes an outcast. The rapist was told to marry her and care for her because he made her undesirable. Marrying her was pretty much what he had to pay for raping her.
Ah, thanks for clarification. I didn’t remember that right away, so I thought he was referencing something else.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
I know what he’s talking about but it gets pretty complicated, I recommend actually doing some research.
Do you remember what book/chapter he’s referencing? Or will I need to do some more looking up (hence “doing some research”)?
The very first Christians were Jews, as was Christ. Christianity was essentially a sect of Judaism. They continued to fast, keep kosher, etc. At Pentecost it was decided that gentiles who wished to become Christians did not have to become Jews (i.e., be circumcised). Hence the punishments prescribed in Leviticus are no longer applied.
Edit, this was a reply to movie…
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Thanks 😄.
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Dek Rollins said:
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)
a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
how could I not hate it?
I have morals; that’s how. Not saying you don’t but the people who wrote these things had none or at least had a warped view of morality.
Dek Rollins said:
I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of, so I don’t know how many ways the text can be interpreted. (Also, about your parentheses, I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship God.)a raped virgin must marry her rapist
Well, I don’t recall it saying that in those terms, but people aren’t supposed to have sexual relation before marriage, and if that is committed, the parties are supposed to get married.
and a woman should not have authority over a man
“I’m not sure what passages you’re speaking of…”
how could I not hate it?
I have morals; that’s how. Not saying you don’t but the people who wrote these things had none or at least had a warped view of morality.
As was mentioned by others here, every single one of those was from the old law, which nolonger applies after the birth and death of Christ.
Also, the pic wasn’t me asking you to answer your own question 😉.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Then why include the OT at all if it’s pretty much retconned?
I don’t think a homosexual can effectively worship the intolerant God that I believe in.
Fixed.
We are talking about the Bible, and therefor the Christian God. No condescending specificity is necessary in my post. Being homosexual is sinful. My youth pastor has actually spoken about his experiences with praying over homo/trans/bi -sexuals and “freeing” them of their demons. I know you don’t see eye to eye with Christian views, but this “fix” wasn’t even clever or note-worthy.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Then why include the OT at all if it’s pretty much retconned?
It’s historical text of great importance, and the old law isn’t the only thing that’s in there. God still works amazing things in those peoples lives and their stories held in those books have great power. Also, if you’re unaware, Gideons pocket Bibles for spreading the gospel are just New Testament + Proverbs and Psalms.
Also LOL; that sentence in Star Wars context would be sacrilege!
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
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THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
