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JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit: turning a mediocre trilogy into one really good film (Released) — Page 3

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Just saw this thread, having not seen a Hobbit 3-in-1 edit yet, I decided to watch this to finally get a taste of what such a single movie edit would be like. It’s nice especially to see you stick with a more “extended edition” type of length, as I still like Middle Earth movies long.

EDIT: Just watching 3 clips on your Vimeo while downloading, amazing job. Nice to see such attention to detail, and excited to see how the movie is without Legolas and the forced Tauriel romance.

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Dear God, is this new website layout hideous! I don’t even like coming here anymore because everything is just impossible to read.

Anyhoo, Bluray and DVD ISO files are up on my website. I won’t share any direct links but just Google “Maple Films hobbit” and you’ll find what you’re looking for pretty quick!

Seriously, this website looks atrocious now.

JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit

http://www.maple-films.com/the-hobbit-fanedit

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Thanks I look forward to seeing what extras you have included.

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Cannot wait to see 😃 I actually put off my plans for a Hobbit fanedit because you basically did everything I would have wanted to better than I ever could have and more.

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Can I ask what software you used for the Blu-Ray/DVD authoring? I would assume it’s something above consumer level software.

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“YOU WILL NEED DUAL-LAYER DISCS IN ORDER TO FIT THE CONTENT…THEY WILL NOT FIT ON
REGULAR SINGLE-LAYER DISCS.”

Unless, of course, you have BD-Rebuilder.

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Is there any chance of you making a lossless type digital copy as well? 9GB is pretty small for a 247 minute. Based on the 1080p lossless type encodes I’ve seen of the individual movies, I would think closer to 25-30GB

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Is the film on one disk then? As you should in theory be able to do about two hours on a smaller disk.

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Each half of the film is just over two hours, but the second disc also includes Durin’s Folk and the Hill of Sorcery, which is over an hour itself. Plus there’s the motion menus, music, other special features, etc. No way could I have crammed all that into a single disc!

JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit

http://www.maple-films.com/the-hobbit-fanedit

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Probably not going to happen. The 10GB digital file was a 2-pass encode and the bitrate holds up very well, even on a larger screen. If you want absolute top-shelf quality, the Bluray ISO is the way to go. I don’t want to have so many versions of the fan edit floating around that it gets confusing for people!

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http://www.maple-films.com/the-hobbit-fanedit

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eldusto84 said:

I used Adobe Encore to do the DVD/Bluray authoring. As far as I know, it’s one of the few disc authoring programs still out there…and they discontinued it after the CS6 release.

Oh wow. That’s actually the same program I use. The quality of your work actually made me think it was professional software though. Much respect.

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I’m making some bluray box sets of this. Let me know if you want one.

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hydro033 said:

I’m making some bluray box sets of this. Let me know if you want one.

If you’re making them for anybody, I’d love one. I could pay for shipping or anything like that if necessary.

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Lust-In-Phaze said:

hydro033 said:

I’m making some bluray box sets of this. Let me know if you want one.

If you’re making them for anybody, I’d love one. I could pay for shipping or anything like that if necessary.

I’d also be very much interested in something like this.

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eldusto84
Your edit of the Hobbit trilogy is amazing and makes the story so much more interesting to watch and follow plus having the extra scenes omitted made into a seperate film was a very nice touch.

Definitely prefer not having a golden dragon but Smaug busting out of the castle wall then shaking off the liquid “something?” off himself was a bit jarring to see, might of been better with cut to Smaug mid flight after the speech then Bilbo walking through dragon sided hole in wall thus cutting out the golden shake completely.

Well done eldusto84 on your edit truly epic stuff and already a fav to the people I’ve shown it to.

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Very interesting cut, really (I watched the first part, still need to watch the second part this evening). I don’t dislike the theatrical versions (I’m even a big fan of the first movie, which is almost perfect to my taste) but the second and third chapters miss the point with cartoonish and over the top action scenes, boring romance, failed humor (Alfrid…), and so on. You’ve cut a few things I like from the first movie (giant mountain battle, the gobelin ride, king gobelin death) but you’ve removed many things I can live without (Azog omnipresence, flash backs, unnecessary action, etc.), so I guess it’s nicely done and fast paced.

Are you going to do the same with the Lord of the Rings trilogy ?

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Finally got a chance to watch this all the way through. Wow is all I have to say. Very seamless. Only once did I feel like I was watching a fan edit. That’s when Azog just suddenly appears after they escape the goblin tunnels. I get that he was sort of alluded to by the goblin king, but it just felt weird becuase you get get the sense that he’s a really important character from what the goblin king said, but we never get any reference to him before that. It like we get that he’s SUPPOSED to be an important character, but he doesn’t feel like one. I think it would have been better to just nix him entirely until the battle of five armies, at which point he would just be the leader of the Orc army. Watching the scene with this in mind, I feel there is definitely a way to cut that scene in a way where it appears to only be the wargs attacking them ala the books with no orcs at all.

That being said, that’s a very small complaint in an otherwise amazing edit and I understand you’re not looking to release a v2 or anything with such a small change, so if I find it really bugs me that much, I can always do an edit myself.

But seriously, high praise to you. This will be my go-to version of the Hobbit for the foreseeable future.

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I also just finished watching this, and it’s a great edit. The opening of each film is a bit rushed to me, but each film flows well from that point and at no point did I miss the nixed side plots. I also agree that Azog would be better if saved for the end, and there are some more scenes such as Bard’s dragonslaying scene and the lighting of the forges that could use more cutting, but very serviceable indeed.

JEDIT: Thinking back on the fanedit this morning, it came as a literal shock that Radagast, Sauruman, and Galadriel were eliminated from the film with almost zero issues. I had completely forgotten that they were in the Jackson versions.

There is one small issue that arises because of their deletion, which is simply that no reason is given for Gandalf leaving the party when they leave Rivendell. In the goblin tunnels, he then magically reappears. But it’s a small thing that doesn’t take me out of the experience too much.

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Finally got a chance to watch this…I enjoyed it immensely. In fact it’s safe to say it will become my go-to version of The Hobbit. Perfect for watching before a LOTR marathon.

The only thing I’d say I miss is the longer introduction of Beorn from the EE. The way they ended up in his house never made a lot of sense to me in the theatrical, it was bit jarring and given that you have limited options in transitioning from film 1 to 2, I think not including the extended intro makes it even more jarring than it needs to be. IMO the film flows, and works much better with the extended intro. Moreover, since Beorn plays a larger part in the books than the films, and since you’re trying to follow the book closer, I’m a bit surprised you did’t include this bit. It also makes the “pay off” of seeing him in the final battle a bit more satisfying. If you ever revist this it’s the one thing I’d love to see put back in.

I noted you also cut out the enchanted river in Mirkwood, which was also in the book. But I agree with your choice here. The scene is bizarre, bogs the story down, and photographed in such a way that it’s inconsistent with the rest of the films. So good call there.

The only thing you’ve included that I would have liked to have seen gone is Alfrid’s sucking up to Bard on the lake after Laketown is destroyed. Since you’ve cut most of Alfrid out anyway, this seems unnecessary.

That said, these are small complaints in what is a amazing fan edit. Well, more than that, a complete reimagining of the films that’s has increased my enjoyment of The Hobbit almost as much as the EE’s increased my enjoyment of LOTR. In fact other than Adywan’s work it’s the only fan edit I’ve bothered with, so well done.

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Sorry, I’ve been taking a break from keeping up on fan edit stuff the past few months and just got back on here. Thanks to those of you who have watched J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and given some nice feedback! I’ve tried to make the edit feel as close to an actual studio release as possible, so it means a lot to hear some of you say that it is your “go-to” version of the Hobbit from here on out.

After a good deal of waiting, I’ve finally managed to have the film accepted into the Internet Fan Edit Database. Here is a link to the listing on Fanedit.org!

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/j-r-r-tolkiens-the-hobbit-maple-films-edit/

JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit

http://www.maple-films.com/the-hobbit-fanedit

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eldusto84 said:

Sorry, I’ve been taking a break from keeping up on fan edit stuff the past few months and just got back on here. Thanks to those of you who have watched J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and given some nice feedback! I’ve tried to make the edit feel as close to an actual studio release as possible, so it means a lot to hear some of you say that it is your “go-to” version of the Hobbit from here on out.

After a good deal of waiting, I’ve finally managed to have the film accepted into the Internet Fan Edit Database. Here is a link to the listing on Fanedit.org!

https://ifdb.fanedit.org/j-r-r-tolkiens-the-hobbit-maple-films-edit/

I greatly enjoyed watching the Blu Ray of your edit and applaud what you have done. I have only 2 minor complaints though:

  1. The transition from AUJ to DOS feels a little rushed but as a positive the transition from DOS to BOTFA is ABSOLUTELY SEAMLESS!
  2. We don’t know why Gandalf didn’t follow them out of Rivendell.

Besides these 2 minor issues I have with the edit, I must say…this edit is truly incredible. It now takes its rightful place as the prequel to the LOTR Trilogy in our family’s marathons from this year onward. Thank you!!!

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darthrush said:

I greatly enjoyed watching the Blu Ray of your edit and applaud what you have done. I have only 2 minor complaints though:

  1. The transition from AUJ to DOS feels a little rushed but as a positive the transition from DOS to BOTFA is ABSOLUTELY SEAMLESS!
  2. We don’t know why Gandalf didn’t follow them out of Rivendell.

Besides these 2 minor issues I have with the edit, I must say…this edit is truly incredible. It now takes its rightful place as the prequel to the LOTR Trilogy in our family’s marathons from this year onward. Thank you!!!

Thanks so much! Glad you took the time to download the Bluray…I put a lot of work into that haha. I can address the two points you’ve made.

  1. The AUJ to DOS transition was smoother in my first cut of the edit, because I removed the eagle sequence. Originally I had the party start running from the orcs/wargs, and cut immediately to them running towards Beorn’s house in DOS. However, many people complained about losing the eagles so I re-inserted them for the final cut. That however meant that I had to figure out a way to get the company off those eagles and into Beorn’s house…no easy task since at the end of AUJ they’re dropped off on top of the Carrock and we never see them get down. So I did the best I could with what I had to work with.
  2. As for Gandalf remaining in Rivendell, I didn’t want to show Galadriel or the White Council at all in the edit, so that meant I couldn’t really show why he stays behind. His comings and goings in the book aren’t really elaborated upon, so you could argue that fits with his actions in this edit!

Thanks again for the feedback 😄

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eldusto84 said:

darthrush said:

I greatly enjoyed watching the Blu Ray of your edit and applaud what you have done. I have only 2 minor complaints though:

  1. The transition from AUJ to DOS feels a little rushed but as a positive the transition from DOS to BOTFA is ABSOLUTELY SEAMLESS!
  2. We don’t know why Gandalf didn’t follow them out of Rivendell.

Besides these 2 minor issues I have with the edit, I must say…this edit is truly incredible. It now takes its rightful place as the prequel to the LOTR Trilogy in our family’s marathons from this year onward. Thank you!!!

Thanks so much! Glad you took the time to download the Bluray…I put a lot of work into that haha. I can address the two points you’ve made.

  1. The AUJ to DOS transition was smoother in my first cut of the edit, because I removed the eagle sequence. Originally I had the party start running from the orcs/wargs, and cut immediately to them running towards Beorn’s house in DOS. However, many people complained about losing the eagles so I re-inserted them for the final cut. That however meant that I had to figure out a way to get the company off those eagles and into Beorn’s house…no easy task since at the end of AUJ they’re dropped off on top of the Carrock and we never see them get down. So I did the best I could with what I had to work with.
  2. As for Gandalf remaining in Rivendell, I didn’t want to show Galadriel or the White Council at all in the edit, so that meant I couldn’t really show why he stays behind. His comings and goings in the book aren’t really elaborated upon, so you could argue that fits with his actions in this edit!

Thanks again for the feedback 😄

Thanks for the clear up! I forgot that the second issue I have is one that applies to the book also soooo… Too hell with that complaint 😉

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