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Anchorhead said:

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Anchorhead said:

I forgot, but was Chewie with Rey as she went to see Luke?

Both Chewie and R2 went with her.
BB-8 wasn’t there as he (it?) was reunited with Poe. I’m getting the feeling that Rey will inherit not only the Falcon, but that R2 and Chewie will become her companions in the next films.

This 1977 fan would like that a great deal. I’d prefer BB-8, but I understand. He doesn’t belong to her.

I’m pretty positive we’ll see a lot of him in the next two films, but not so much with Rey anymore. I wonder if R2 and BB-8 will be the new droid duo, since C-3PO got more screen time in this film, as well as being Leia’s droid. Also I don’t think Anthony Daniels would be quite up to the task of performing in that suit quite as much as he did in the OT. They could always replace him, and simply have him dub the voice later, but three droids would be a bit too much.

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ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

Wasn’t it Snoke who said it in the first teaser though?

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ZkinandBonez said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

Wasn’t it Snoke who said it in the first teaser though?

I avoided all teasers. Might be why I enjoyed the movie more than some others. Very interesting to hear that Snoke may have spoken the line originally though.

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The only thing I regret about watching the trailers/teasers was that I felt they had better music that SCREAMED Star Wars and was so hoping to see used in TFA.

Other than that, I didn’t think the trailers/teaser ruined anything else for me.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

Wasn’t it Snoke who said it in the first teaser though?

Apparently so

http://www.slashfilm.com/force-awakens-trailer-voice/

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I got to the theater about 30 minutes early. As usual with Alamo Drafthouse, the pre-film ads and such are tailored to the feature. In this case it was a bunch of old Kenner toy adds from the late 70s/early 80s. Crazy what a cultural phenomenon it’s been for so long. One was for the toy Yoda Is Your Father has as his avatar. I never did understand that snake part.

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Here it is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YSe8szgi9zo

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Anchorhead said:

I got to the theater about 30 minutes early. As usual with Alamo Drafthouse, the pre-film adds and such are tailored to the feature. In this case it was a bunch of old Kenner toy adds from the late 70s/early 80s. Crazy what a cultural phenomenon it’s been for so long. One was for the toy Yoda Is Your Father has as his avatar. I never did understand that snake part.

Maybe it was a nod to the snake you see Luke walk by when he faces his ‘self’. Only thing I can think of.

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TavorX said:

Anchorhead said:

I got to the theater about 30 minutes early. As usual with Alamo Drafthouse, the pre-film adds and such are tailored to the feature. In this case it was a bunch of old Kenner toy adds from the late 70s/early 80s. Crazy what a cultural phenomenon it’s been for so long. One was for the toy Yoda Is Your Father has as his avatar. I never did understand that snake part.

Maybe it was a nod to the snake you see Luke walk by when he faces his ‘self’. Only thing I can think of.

Wasn’t there a snake slithering around in his hut when he was making that stew for him and Luke?

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hydrospanner said:
Wasn’t there a snake slithering around in his hut when he was making that stew for him and Luke?

Quickly looked up a clip on Youtube, and you’re correct! Case solved.

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Anchorhead said:

I got to the theater about 30 minutes early. As usual with Alamo Drafthouse, the pre-film adds and such are tailored to the feature. In this case it was a bunch of old Kenner toy adds from the late 70s/early 80s. Crazy what a cultural phenomenon it’s been for so long. One was for the toy Yoda Is Your Father has as his avatar. I never did understand that snake part.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YSe8szgi9zo

Wish we had Alamo around here, they continue to sound awesome.

And yes, Yoda was supposed to have a pet snake. Wonder if he ever had a name?

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

Much anger I sense in you.

If you don’t like the ROTJ flaws I mentioned how about the fact that of all the planets in all the Galaxy, R2 and the Death Star plans ended up on Tattooine, a couple of blocks from where Luke Skywalker (who happens to be the long lost brother of the princess who gave R2 the plans) lives, and he just happens to be pretty much neighbours with Ben Kenobi (who, in his wisdom, decided NOT to change Luke’s surname - or his own for that matter - when he hid him from his evil Father… Or his own for that matter), and all because one Imperial gunner decided NOT to fire on an escape pod that launched from a rebel ship they had just captured. Sure it had no life signs on board, but I’m assuming a trained imperial gunner would be aware of the existence of droids and their ability to carry data (secret data being the reason they captured the rebel ship in the first place).

I’m just saying try to enjoy it for what it is. It’s common knowledge that the original Star Wars was based on cheesy 1940s space operas like Flash Gordon. It’s more about adventure than solid plot and military strategy. I agree with everybody on here about TFA’s flaws (and the fact that everybody is pointing out the same flaws shows that it does indeed have it’s problems) but, y’know, it was fun and I enjoyed it and it felt good in all the right places. I guess I love Star Wars for different reasons to some of you guys (and as I’ve said before, that’s cool, each to their own… but as Frink has pointed out, I’d rather be one of the guys who enjoyed it and just got a great Christmas gift from JJ and co).

Maybe you are confusing me with someone who hated TFA. I did not. It was a fun film with a lot of parts to like. Unfortunately, it was also a very uneven film with a lot to criticize. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who thinks this movie approached anything close to the quality of Star Wars or Empire. Most people I’ve seen would rank it somewhere around Jedi, which is probably more fair. I like Jedi more just because of the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes that bring a close to the previous two stories, but to each their own.

Also with regards to coincidence … stories can and usually do begin with coincidence. Out of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, it was a coincidence that Elsa walked into Rick’s cafe in Casablanca. It was a coincidence that R2 happened to crash land on Luke’s planet and wind up in his hands. These things are what get stories started, but you can’t have the rest of the plot proceed forward by coincidence alone. There needs to be solid logic and motivation behind everything that happens in a story, and that’s one of the things that I love about the original Star Wars movies – everything seemed real. They were gritty. You could immerse yourself in the story and never feel like you were being patronized or lied to.

On the other hand, TFA would follow up great scenes with moments that came straight out of Indy 4 or Pirates of the Caribbean. The characters would stop the whole fucking movie so they could turn and look at each other across a battlefield or up in the sky. Look at these two scenes for instance:

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Kylo in the opening scene was fantastic. Adam Driver and JJ gave him a new, distinct personality from other villains without turning him into a cartoon. This wasn’t Darth Maul in over the top makeup. It wasn’t General Hux twirling his evil mustache with an evil grin on his face and doing evil bad guy things. This was a low key but intimidating villain demonstrating immense power. In a burst of violent anger, he cuts an old man in half, but then, he deals with Poe Dameron in succinct, business-like fashion. I don’t remember the lines, but I do remember specifically liking Kylo’s delivery when he ordered Poe Dameron to be put on board.

Unfortunately, brilliant efforts like these would be quickly ruined by a filmmaker who decided to strip the film of its realness and patronize the audience. Just moments later, the whole fucking movie stops in mid-sequence, so Kylo and Finn can look across the battlefield at each other for no reason at all. Could you ever imagine Vader stopping in his tracks to give a random stromtrooper two fucks of time? Is Finn really such a poorly fleshed out character that we need artificial moments like these to spotlight his importance?

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The fight at Maz’s castle. I’m not even going to go on about the fight between Finn and the stormtrooper, which was one of the film’s incredible lowlights and even further discredited the final lightsaber battle later on.

No … I want to focus on the moment Finn stops everything he’s doing and looks up into the sky. There are all kinds of blaster bolts and explosions going on around him. There are untold numbers of aircraft in the sky. But he stops everything he’s doing so he can look up and go “yippee” and laud Poe Dameron’s piloting skills. He essentially breaks the fourth wall to stop the whole fucking movie and tell the audience:

“Hey guys, Poe and I are supposed to be besties, but the writers didn’t give us enough scenes together. So instead we’re just going to give you dumb fucking moments like these so you’ll believe we are more buddies than we otherwise should be.”

Do you remember Red Letter Media’s review of Revenge of the Sith? Plinkett criticizes the scene where Hayden stops the whole fucking movie so he can go back and save some random X-wing pilot, just because the films hadn’t done enough to show that Anakin was once a good guy. So hey, let’s insert this random totally illogical and out of place scene into the movie to rewrite the character we did a poor job of designing in the first place.

Well, this exact same shit happens in TFA and apparently some of you didn’t notice.

Also, why does the Resistance not treat Finn with any suspicion whatsoever? Poe and Finn are friends immediately? Nobody ever has the idea that he might be a spy? I think Finn’s character is poorly designed, but I don’t hate him. I love Daisy/Rey, I’m indifferent to Boyega/Finn, but I really, really hate the fake fucking persona of Poe Dameron and the cartoonish, travesty of an “acting” performance given by Oscar Isaacson. His character is arguably the fakest, most over the top in any Star Wars film, including the prequels.


In short, I think the film has a lot of strengths and is mostly fun, but fell short of its potential. There’s no gritty realness like the originals. There’s no magic. I thought it was a rushed, kind of chaotic mess that was just way too self conscious.

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TV’s Frink said:

Incidentally, for those who saw it in 3D, what did you think of the 3D? It seems to me that conversions have come a long way, and that this made for a really enjoyable 3D experience.

Having said that, I’m also looking forward to watching it in 2D this coming weekend.

There were issues I had at my theater. The little floor lights at the end of each aisle were like cell phones flaring into my peripheral vision outside the edges of the glasses. (I thought it was some jerk checking their phone as I was trying to watch the movie and not look away.) Annoying as hell. I suppose there are safety concerns preventing them from dimming those things during the movie.

The downside of a slightly older theater converted to stadium seating is people’s heads can cast shadows on the screen when they get up. The push button recliners were a new experience to me, and pretty nice. Took a while to find the button though. 😉

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Alderaan said:

I love Daisy/Rey, I’m indifferent to Boyega/Finn, but I really, really hate the fake fucking persona of Poe Dameron and the cartoonish, travesty of an “acting” performance given by Oscar Isaacson. His character is arguably the fakest, most over the top in any Star Wars film, including the prequels.

Wow, you’re fucking crazy. This kind of hyperbole is just ridiculous and totally unjustified. Oscar Isaac is an incredible actor and manages to leave a lasting impression with Poe despite his small screen time.

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DominicCobb said:
half assed ROTS score

What!?!? It’s not my favorite movie or anything but I thought the score to ROTS was amazing. The choir parts and strings are so epic.

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Just moments later, the whole fucking movie stops in mid-sequence, so Kylo and Finn can look across the battlefield at each other for no reason at all. Could you ever imagine Vader stopping in his tracks to give a random stromtrooper two fucks of time? Is Finn really such a poorly fleshed out character that we need artificial moments like these to spotlight his importance?

Um, no reason at all? Kylo sensed and/or saw that FN did not fire at all. A Stormtrooper not doing what he’s supposed to be doing is something would catch your eye.

But he stops everything he’s doing so he can look up and go “yippee” and laud Poe Dameron’s piloting skills.

I mean yeah, when you thought you were pinned down, some heroes come in for the rescue. I think I’d be thankful and praise whomever came to save the day too.

Also, why does the Resistance not treat Finn with any suspicion whatsoever? Poe and Finn are friends immediately?

Uh, Finn bailed Poe out of abduction early on in the film. Finn SHOT at his own former troopers as Poe tried to free the Tie Fighter. And also, Finn helped out to fight against the First Order when they laid siege on Maz’s place. What could had Finn done that would lead to suspicion at this point? Not to also mention, Finn is walking with Han Solo, and anyone walking with Han on friendly terms I’m sure wins some major street cred.

Regarding Finn with the lightsaber. Yes, I agree, he shouldn’t be skilled with one. Guess what? He isn’t! Han had to save Finn from that melee trooper. Finn never killed anyone with that saber.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

Wasn’t it Snoke who said it in the first teaser though?

It still is Snoke saying it in the film, not Kylo

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Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:
half assed ROTS score

What!?!? It’s not my favorite movie or anything but I thought the score to ROTS was amazing. The choir parts and strings are so epic.

That’s sort of my problem with it. It feels very generically epic to me in parts (though I do mostly enjoy it). Star Wars has never been epic on the scale of say LOTR, and all the choir parts really felt out of place and over the top considering there’s hardly any choir in the OT (a few low key instances in ROTJ).

That’s not to mention the fact that almost half the film’s score is reused tracks from TPM.

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DominicCobb said:
Oscar Isaac is an incredible actor and manages to leave a lasting impression with Poe despite his small screen time.

The lasting impression was that he sucked.

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Alderaan said:

Maybe you are confusing me with someone who hated TFA. I did not. It was a fun film with a lot of parts to like. Unfortunately, it was also a very uneven film with a lot to criticize. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who thinks this movie approached anything close to the quality of Star Wars or Empire. Most people I’ve seen would rank it somewhere around Jedi, which is probably more fair. I like Jedi more just because of the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes that bring a close to the previous two stories, but to each their own.

The flaws, the coincidences, the crappy moments (Han’s Freighter, Finn whooping at Poe’s X-Wing mid battle, etc) are all genuinely bad moments, I’m with you dude, I agree. I’d sooner cut them.

I also agree, wholeheartedly, that TFA is nowhere near as good as ANH and ESB. I won’t even put it in the same league as ROTJ because I’ve watched ROTJ a million times over the course of 30 years and for all it’s ewoks and yub nub and stupid rescue plans that don’t make sense, it has some awesome moments (eg Vader’s redemption which you pointed out) and I’ve only seen TFA twice. It doesn’t come close to the feelings I have about the sacred Original Trilogy.

But as a fourth movie, made decades after the originals, I think TFA is very good. It’s certainly reignited my interest in Star Wars (I’m back on OT.com after a 5 year break so it must have done something right) and pushed all the right buttons (for me) as I sat in the cinema.

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That’s a fair post YIYF. When I went back and watched it a second time on Saturday night, after I already knew most of the criticisms, it was easier to just enjoy the fun parts. Pretty much Daisy and the pursuit of the Falcon on Jakku were the highlights for me. That sequence is up there among the best in the franchise as far as I’m concerned. Just wish the rest of the film could have held up as well. Always disappointing for me any time I see a Star Wars movie fail to live up to the originals.

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Just saw TFA awakens today. Definately an entertaining film overall with particularly strong performances from Adam Driver as Kylo Ren and Harrison Ford (was surprised by just how good his performance was in this, the best acting i’ve seen from him in a good long while), that scene between the two of them was dynamite, could not pull my eyes away, I think that scene is destined to be considered one of the most iconic scenes of all the Star Wars films, alongside Vader’s reveal to Luke in ESB. I thought Boyega and Carrie Fisher did great jobs as well with what they had to work with.

I felt Oscar Isaac could have used more screen time outside of the x-wing to make me more invested in his character during the final battle. I felt the whole aerial battle and trench run bit at the end in general felt a bit flat, wouldn’t have been bothered if it was cut to be honest. Not a fan of the CG X-Wing Tie Fighter battles, it all felt like a very long game cutscene, the OT ships felt far more real so it felt that there was a lot more at stake, the deaths of the x-wing pilots like Biggs felt far more real, I found myself fazing out a bit during the trench run scene in this film when the trench run in Star Wars is so brilliantly done.

Like many here have pointed out, too many scenes in this film felt like homages/rehashes of scenes from the OT, especially Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. These scenes kept on pulling me out of the film and I had to focus again to get back into it. I hope that they’ve now got all this out of their systems with this film so episode VIII can focus on doing its own thing in terms of story instead of constantly referencing iconic scenes and moments of the Original Trilogy like this film does.

Daisy Ridley’s performance I felt was a little bland, she’s charming but I didn’t feel much depth in her performance, didn’t like how she got so offended by Boyega grabbing her hand to get her away from the first order, overreaction much? Its bits like that that add fuel to the flames of those accusing JJ of pushing a femenist agenda in this film with the character of Rey. Many online have also been saying that her character is a bit of a Mary Sue and after having seen the film, its kinda difficult to disagree. She seemed to be so good at everything, piloting, engineering, fighting with pole, fighting with lightsaber she’d never used before, using the force for mind control etc etc especially when she was showing up Han Solo on his own ship, not at all believable. And of course her holding her own in the lightsaber battle with kylo ren with no training at all is another thing that has been mentioned here and elsewhere many times. They don’t seem to have left much space for her character to grow, she already seems incredibly competent at everything, it’ll be interesting to see where they go with her and what is left for Luke to teach her.

Probably the most important thing for me when it comes to a film is the music and this is personally where I feel TFA really stumbles. The music didn’t do much for me, nothing really stood out, unlike the music from the Original Trilogy which is brilliant. The Phantom Menace at least had Duel of the Fates that was brilliant but I can’t remember any piece of music jumping out at me in this. The lack of memorable pieces of music is probably my biggest issue with TFA right now, hopefully that will change with future viewings. A good musically score is the heart and soul of a film, without one, the film feels kinda hollow, at least to me.

Still digesting what i’ve seen but right now i’d currently give TFA a rating of 7.5/10, very entertaining and easily better than all the prequels but not as good as any of the Original Trilogy.

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Good movie, I think. Although I’ll have to see it again. Start at about half way through, I got distracted, and the distraction became more and more difficult to ignore as the movie went along. Hint: the distraction was caused by me drinking a big thing of soda.

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I think they made it too obvious what was going to happen to Han, at the time it happen. I was fairly certain what was going to happen about 30 seconds before it happened. I don’t understand how Rey could do so well against Kylo Ren in their fight when she supposedly hasn’t been trained at all. I realize you can argue that Kylo Ren hasn’t been fully trained yet, but he was at least somewhat trained. Rey should have been no match for him. In order to comply the rules, I will post more in the EP VIII thread.

btw, I thought the characters Rey and Finn had more personality in their little fingers than all the characters in the PT had combined.

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SilverWook said:

Wish we had Alamo around here, they continue to sound awesome.

And yes, Yoda was supposed to have a pet snake. Wonder if he ever had a name?

Now that I think about it, I remember Luke moving it away from the stew pot.

One more Alamo deal. They have a pretty extensive menu and serve during the film. Each seat has a small table. For Star Wars, they had a themed menu and this menu card was on each table. Kept mine.

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